MY new TUNDRA

[Builder]

thanks guys thats really useful info.

Some of that stuff must have really improved your butt muscle tone TJ!

HUH??!!??

 

[MikePA]

Since this discussion is about GN and not 5th wheel, I can answer for GN. To say a GN renders the bed almost useless is an exaggeration. We have a 6 ft bed and there's plenty of room around the ball and the post coming down from the trailer to put stuff. As long as you keep in mind the post has to rotate it's usable. Obviously, with the post in the middle it restricts the size of what you can carry. So if you want to haul a trailer full of stuff plus 4' x 8' sheets of plywood, or need a bed cap/cover, etc., a GN isn't for you.

 

[Charlesaf3]

meaning if I got passed by my own trailer my butt would be clenched so tight you could shove up coal and pull out diamonds!

 

[texasjohn]

There are lots of Gooseneck configurations, mine included, which allow removal of the trailer ball when not trailering, thus providing the original pickup bed space.

Charlesaf3, I think you have all the parameters for making your decision... unless you want to hunt down two trailers, load them very heavy, and then take each out for a spin... down the road, rough,smooth, slick, try parking, loading, unloading (hmm, forgot to mention that when you drive a vehicle off of a bumper pull the rear of trailer dives, front of trailer lifts maybe a foot, and rear of your pickup gets really light). Like so many things, the answer " all depends." And, now, you know what it depends on...and it's up to you to decide what is important to you.

By the way, I have seen quite a few gooseneck trailers that are just as low to the ground as a bumper pull, thus loading/unloading can be just as easy as a bumper pull.

I concede that the gooseneck is longer, end to end, thus requires more parking space.

 

[Builder]

meaning if I got passed by my own trailer my butt would be clenched so tight you could shove up coal and pull out diamonds!

ahhh, OK. Never thought of it that way......

If all you're hauling is a little B series kubota and a few extra implements, why on earth would you need a 5th wheel? If you were hauling a couple cars, a big M series, etc., then I'd say get the gooseneck, but your cargo is so small.

With the bumper pull, you can load up the bed with lots of stuff, a bumper pull is also a lighter trailer, saving you precious PIN weight and lowering your GCWR. It's also a shorter trailer-easier to store. It also costs less, saving you money to feed your tool habit.

I don't deny a 5th wheel is a better set-up, but for larger cargo. You really don't need one.

 

[texasjohn]

Escavander, if you haven't seen this thread regarding WD hitches, it's a great read.... particularly if you are considering WD hitch versus gooseneck.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/119803-weight-distributing-hitch-questions-more.html#post1391081

 

[escavader]

Escavander, if you haven't seen this thread regarding WD hitches, it's a great read.... particularly if you are considering WD hitch versus gooseneck.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/119803-weight-distributing-hitch-questions-more.html#post1391081

THANKS i already have one Iuse it when i towed with my JEEP,THEY ARE GREAT!!
BTW,Itowed a trailer with a cord of green MAPLE firewood yesterday.This truck is awsome!couldnt even tell it was back there,of course im use to a 6 cylinder jeep too
ALAN

 

[twodogs]

Wow! This thread is all over the place! Nice truck! Good luck with it! I have an 06 Tundra crew cab. You will love yours. I think they build the best truck out there. They have a few kinks to work out, which I believe they did with the first year's model - but overall, you can't beat Toyota quality. The price is a little higher up front, but they are cheaper in the long haul.

 

[joes_427_vette]

Escavader; What was the list price on your Tundra ? 27 Sounds aweful cheap. When I looked at the ones on the lot I didn't see any below the 40 mark. Mater of fact the smaller version in a four door with decent options was 28. I don't know anyone personally that has the v-8 4x4 Tundra but from what I have heard they get less mileage than the Chevrolets.

Interesting thread, best of luck on the new vehicle. If I could afford the truck the loan would be for the gasoline.

 

[escavader]

Escavader; What was the list price on your Tundra ? 27 Sounds aweful cheap. When I looked at the ones on the lot I didn't see any below the 40 mark. Mater of fact the smaller version in a four door with decent options was 28. I don't know anyone personally that has the v-8 4x4 Tundra but from what I have heard they get less mileage than the Chevrolets.

Interesting thread, best of luck on the new vehicle. If I could afford the truck the loan would be for the gasoline.

I bought it in FEBUARY suggested manufacterers price 31,569,[i have the window sticker in hand]the dealer sold me the truck for 28 700 ,ended up around 2700 with the 2750 rebate [i also bought a few goodies ]Ithink the crew max might be 40 but not the dbl cabs.So your correct with the one you saw for 28,if you buy when they are giving cash backyou might get it as low as 25 if you knock it off the price.Ibought a tool box and a bug sheild,with part of my rebate
Whats the chevy getting 20 mpg? Iget 19 with mine[not towing]Iget a kick out of them commercials with the chevy guy picking up the toyota guy out of gas..Ialso have 381 horse power does that chevy?I bought the truck to tow things,if i were concerned about gas i wouldnt have.Hauling wood from my mountain camp,it took 3 trips with my jeep,to get a cord home,today i pulled a cord home in one trip[see iam saving gas],the truck wasnt even laboring.If my tandem was rated higher ,i think the tundra could pull home two cord at once!!
I want you all to know ,i have no reason to feed you bull,i am not brand loyal,and just cause i bought one ,dont have a desire to prove mines better then yours etc etc.If something goes wrong i will post it so we all have an honest review of the truck.
My first impressions in 1800 miles is THIS TRUCK HAS A MUSCLE CAR ENGINE,SIPS FUEL,HAS A QUIET SMOOTH 6 SPEED TRANNY,THAT WILL HAUL A FREIGHT TRAIN Its comfortable for family outings,and is a joy to drive.If you ever are in the market stop in and try one,youll see what i mean.

 

[Rara Avis]

meaning if I got passed by my own trailer my butt would be clenched so tight you could shove up coal and pull out diamonds!

In today's economy, you should be doing this daily...

 

[texasjohn]

thought I'd share some of my current research.... looking into pickups.

Now, I don't mean to start a diesel vs gas war... or any other kind of vehicle preference war.. just want to pass on my very recent experience.

If it is useful, fine, if not, ignore it.

I took the Tundra specs for towing to Ford, GM, Chevy, Dodge dealers and asked them to price me their cheapest vehicle that would meet those towing specs.

There were no gas engines that had the torque... so, they had to go to diesel. I did not bargain hard with anybody, so don't know what the real floor on price is now... but immediate discounts are significant.

FORD... $40,490 MSRP $30,900 for cash
Chevy just refused to price saying they are not Tundra competitive
GM said they are not doing big discounts to protect used vehicle value
Dodge showed me way too much vehicle..had double batteries, etc.

I've learned that now given the internet you can see each dealer's inventory, with features for each vehicle exactly, and know more than the salesman when you walk in the door... including manufacturing discounts and internet discounts. You can do this for all surrounding dealers... for as far as you wish to drive. It is worth the effort.

My current interest is in a tundra grade double cab standard bed 4x4 bucket seats, cold kit, tow package, skid plate, carpets, step assist, fog lamps, running lights.. some chrome stuff i don't want but is part of the vehicle.

$32,500 MSRP - 5000 manufacture discount - 2000 business discount - dealer reduction = $23000 +TTL

This seems to be getting into the right area....don't know if there are hidden charges... better not be... am still thinking about it.

 

[Dmace]

I took the Tundra specs for towing to Ford, GM, Chevy, Dodge dealers and asked them to price me their cheapest vehicle that would meet those towing specs.

There were no gas engines that had the torque... so, they had to go to diesel.

The Ford V10 gas engine produces 362 HP and 457 lb-ft compared to the Tundras 381 HP and 401 lb-ft. If you are plainly looking at numbers, there is plenty of competition.

If you drive a throttle-by-wire Tundra and actually tow something with it, you will see it feels like it has a lot less power then they claim. I went with the HEMI Ram 1500 after driving both and am glad I did. With slightly less numbers at 345 hp and 375 lb-ft of torque, it feels like a ton more power than the Tundra and tows like it too!

 

[joes_427_vette]

I just don't get it. A 35k Tundra @18 miles per gallon. A Ford V-10 @ 8 miles per gallon. A Dodge hemi @10 miles per gallon ( and try and resell this thing after 6 months, lucky to get 40% of the retail price ) Chevrolet has a good combination of mileage and resale value.... but who wants to spend 35k on a truck ?
I feel in a couple years when fuel gets up to the 6-7 dollar range manufacturers will magically increase the mileage or not build trucks. The wages aren't great enough to support our variety of living standards so for most of us the big truck is not going to be in the driveway. When you think about pulling loads and the need for a truck for most of us it would likely be 10% of the time.
My 3/4 ton sits most of the year except when there is a need. Barely pays to insure the beast and pay the registration.

By the way Tundra sales for July of 2008 is 13k compared to 23k one year ago. For all the advertising and new features it appears sales are falling off fast. Watch for deeper incentives, 0% financing, and extended warranty programs to follow.

 

[Builder]

I just don't get it. A 35k Tundra @18 miles per gallon. A Ford V-10 @ 8 miles per gallon.

I don't believe those figures are accurate. V-10's get about 10-12MPG. I'd bet the Tundra gets about 12-13MPG. There's no free lunch guys. To make power, you need fuel.

The Ford Superduty V-10 would pull the shorts off a Tundra six ways to Sunday. It's a serious, industrial grade gas engine built for towing a lot of weight. The Tundra engine is a more refined engine, though.

 

[texasjohn]

Interesting points, all.

Correct, i haul heavy loads maybe 15 days every year... but when I need to haul, I NEED to haul. Short term renting would be more cost effective if there were a way to do it reliably on demand.

My current Ford 350 is 20 years old, so I don't plan on resale any time soon. I don't put high miles on a pickup, so diesel high mileage is not a benefit to me.

Current Tundra prices are at $23k +TTL, so their cost IS down at present.

The ford salesman did not offer the V10 as an option, just a diesel. And, I must say that I have not been happy with my current ford... many things that should not have broken have.

So may conflicting objectives...everybody's sweet spot is different....

 

[Builder]

Unless you MUST have a new truck, I'd consider a used diesel truck, like a '06-'07 DMAX. It will probably cost about the same as a new gas v-8 1/2 ton and last about twice as long and deliver superior fuel economy. When you need the torque, it'll be there. All 650 ftlbs of it. You'll also enjoy the numerous benefits of a 6 speed allison medium duty grade transmission and an 11.5" true locking rear.

The best part is the used truck market is very soft. Many great deals to be had out there.

 

[wushaw]

Ford offers a V-10 in a half ton????

 

[Dmace]

A Dodge hemi @10 miles per gallon

Ha Ha, what a joke. Have you ever even driven any of these trucks or better yet even sat in one? The worst mileage I ever got was 12 mpg and that was hauling a 7,500lb mini-excavator on a 1,500lb trailer with surge brakes through a windy hilly road from central Maine to NH (65 miles). The best was 18mpg and that was all highway with some hills. This is a 4x4 quad cab truck with the 4.10 gears and 17" rims/tires. A friend of mine gets 13mpg average with his F-250 V10, it is a great engine.

Ford offers a V-10 in a half ton????

No, the guy asking never mentioned he only wanted a 1/2 ton truck...

 

[Patches]

I don't believe those figures are accurate. V-10's get about 10-12MPG. I'd bet the Tundra gets about 12-13MPG. There's no free lunch guys. To make power, you need fuel.

The Ford Superduty V-10 would pull the shorts off a Tundra six ways to Sunday. It's a serious, industrial grade gas engine built for towing a lot of weight. The Tundra engine is a more refined engine, though.

I'll agree the V-10 will outpull a Tundra any day, but the V-10 is not available in a half-ton, and your estimate fuel mileage for the Tundra is way off the mark; 17.5/18 putzing around on county roads, 19.5+ on the interstate at 70+ mph empty. I seldom pull a heavily loaded trailer, but on occasion pull a trailer with a pulling tractor for a friend. The total weight is in the 8000/8500lb area and the Tundra consistantly gets 12.5+mpg. He is of the opinion if he didn't need the capacity of an F350,(to tow his bigger tractors,and heavily loaded hay trailers) he'd have a Tundra.We all know if you're hauling heavy loads often, you need a diesel or a 250 or up V-10.I'm very happy with my 1/2 ton Tundra, comfortable ride and acceptable fuel mileage for what I need to tow, and on occasion surprise a few hard-cores