Woods BH9000 or BH90-X on a L3130/3430

[design]

I am looking for subframe information, for the Woods 4 point frame for the grand L series tractors. If you own this setup, and can help on a couple of measurements, please let me know. Also, is the backhoe to big for the tractor? Does the tractor move around too much using the backhoe?
Do you like the setup?

Design

PS. Woods BH9000 in the garage waiting for a subframe to be built.

 

[K7147]

I am looking for subframe information, for the Woods 4 point frame for the grand L series tractors. If you own this setup, and can help on a couple of measurements, please let me know. Also, is the backhoe to big for the tractor? Does the tractor move around too much using the backhoe?
Do you like the setup?

Design

PS. Woods BH9000 in the garage waiting for a subframe to be built.

Hi Design!

I’m a little confused concerning your post as the title indicates installation on a L3130/3430. Your signature indicates you have an L2900. The body of your post indicates any Grand L series? Also, the BH90-X is a completely different animal from a BH9000 model. I do have the newer curved boom Woods BH90-X with a four point mount on a L4330HSTC which is comparable to the L3400 although I doubt the sub frame dimensions would be exactly comparable to other models.

I can tell you that the curved boom Woods BH90-X measures sixteen feet from the sub frame attachment point to the out stretched bucket tip and I’d not want to install it on too small a tractor.

Ken

 

[DDT]

If I can be any help. I have a L5030 cab model with a woods 9000 hoe. It does have 4 point sub frame. I realy like how they handle each other.

 

[design]

To All:
I will try and clarify. I have a Grand L2900, with a BH9000 in the garage. The 3010 and the 3130 are newer versions of the 2900 tractor. All of these tractors can mount with a sub-frame the BH9000. Woods sells a sub-frame for the 2900 and the 3010 tractors, model #1001199. This is the traditional 3 point sub-frame. However, I would rather modify a 3130/3430 4 point sub-frame to fit my tractor. The 4 point sub-frames are:

1. Much better for distributing the load to the rear axle while having the backhoe riding on the back of the tractor.
2. Much easier to install and remove,
3. Give up less ground clearance.

I have created a solidworks file of the sub-frame arm running from the rear axle to the loader mounting plate. I need some additional information on the rear mounting plates to make sure I can modify the Woods # 1006837 frame prior to buying one. Woods list the following tractors L3130 / L3430 /L3830 / L4330 / L4630 as tractors that use the 1006837 (4-Point) sub-frame. It is also my understanding that the current BH90-X uses the 1006837 sub-frame on the 3X30, 4X30 series tractors. Can anyone confirm this?

Design

 

[design]

" Also, the BH90-X is a completely different animal from a BH9000 model. I do have the newer curved boom Woods BH90-X with a four point mount on a L4330HSTC which is comparable to the L3400 although I doubt the sub frame dimensions would be exactly comparable to other models."

Ken,
Do you know what model sub-frame you purchased? If my understanding is correct, your tractor and sub-frame have the subframe information I am looking for.
By the way, how do you like the BH90-X? Are your tires loaded? Does the hoe toss the tractor around?

Design

 

[K7147]

" Also, the BH90-X is a completely different animal from a BH9000 model. I do have the newer curved boom Woods BH90-X with a four point mount on a L4330HSTC which is comparable to the L3400 although I doubt the sub frame dimensions would be exactly comparable to other models."

Ken,
Do you know what model sub-frame you purchased? If my understanding is correct, your tractor and sub-frame have the subframe information I am looking for.
By the way, how do you like the BH90-X? Are your tires loaded? Does the hoe toss the tractor around?

Design

Design!

With your added information I can answer some of your questions.

My woods 4 point sub frame for the BH90-X on the L4330HSTC is the #1007399 sub frame and not the #1006837 sub frame made by Woods. I believe my particular sub frame is specific to the L4330 & L4630 Kubota cab models and is designed to provide suitable spacing between the backhoe operator position and the tractor cab. The #1007399 may well be specific to certain non cab Kubota models. I’d suggest the best course of action would be to talk at length with a knowledgeable Woods dealer and gain the exact specifics of model numbers for particular Kubota tractors as well as indicated mounting points and clearances.

To answer your other questions:

1. My front and rear tires are filled to 75% of capacity with “Rimgard” and although the loaded tires increases the overall stability of the tractor…. the tires were not loaded with the prospect of any particular stability advantage with respect to operation of the back hoe. Just the massive weight of the backhoe itself provides weight to the rear of the Kubota.
2. I am perfectly pleased with the Woods BH90-X! In particular I like the curved boom for working over an accumulated pile of material. I also like the swing control as it provides more precise movement and stability. The seat provides a very comfortable work position. The design tends to protect the runs of hydraulic hose. It plucks stumps out of the ground like an old hound dog dispatches fleas! Read the on line brochure concerning the Woods BH90-X …and believe every word!
3. The BH90-X does not “toss” the L4330 around at all, however, I suspect that the sheer weight of the BX90-X might well “toss around” a smaller tractor of less substance. The cure for that is to simply operate the backhoe in a prudent manner.
4. In speaking with a Woods dealer I’d ask specific questions concerning the available PTO Hp on an L2900 with respect to operation of either the BH9000 or BH90-X.
5. I’d also like to know the specific center of balance point from front to rear if you attached a BH9000 on an L2900 via a 4 point sub frame. You may find that you may need added weight to the front of the tractor in order to maintain proper steering.

Hope this helps….. Ken

 

[design]

Ken,
I just took a look at the specs for the L4330HSTC with the LA853 loader. Heavy tractor compared to the 2900.
Curb weight is 3860#, Loader is 1000# (estimate) loaded tires another #1000 (estimate), Backhoe is #1300 +/-.

My 2900 on the otherhand is:
Curb weight #2810, Loader is #600 unloded tires and backhoe is #1300.
The 4330HSTC as best I can tell is about #5800 less Backhoe,
The 2900 is about #3400 less backhoe. I may have the tractor jumping around alot if I am not careful.

As for the sub-frame part number, the cab versions require different sub-frames. I have had a terrible time getting our local woods/kubota dealerships to tell me the infomation I need since I am not buying anything. The local kubota/Woods dealership said I could not mount that hoe on a L2900. In speaking with Woods, They said it could be done and they designed a subframe for that application. Part #1001199

As for the BH9000/BH90-X differences. I have been told they fit on the same sub-frames. I would like to confirm that the information I have been given is correct.

Backhoe Sub-Frame Mounting Kits Operator's Manuals
The above link shows the BH9000 fits with the #1007399 sub-frame.

If this is true, and I buy the 3130/3430 sub-frame and may no modifications to the parts, just make additional brackets for my tractor to create the same mounting points. The BH/PTO pump/sub-frame could be sold as a complete kit if I am no longer using it. The market for that kit is much higher than the L2900 version.

Any thoughts on the XX40 models? What subframes will they use?

Thanks so much for you help.

JR (Design)

 

[CharlieKtractor]

design,
IMHO I don't think there is a Grand L2900. L3130 thru L3150 are Grand L's. My advise is to sell the 9000 and buy a Woods 7500 Groundbreaker and pocket the change. I bought a L3000DT in '02 for the sole reason it had a backhoe. Started hanging around dealers, when wifey would let me, and bought a Grand L3130. Traded my L3000 and kept the hoe. Dealer had a fit when I told him about the hoe with a 3PH. He went over that L3000 with a fine tooth comb and nary a crack he could find. I've had no problems with my 3PH hoe. Get a heavy duty reinforced top link bracket for your tractor if you use a 3PH. I'm sure you could modify the sub frame to fit also. the 3130 is a much stouter tractor than your 2900. There is no such thing as a HDTL BKT. for the Grand L's. Verify this with CARVER EQUIP. and Ronnie at TRACTOR SMART. Don't ask me how I know. Hope this helps you, but from your posts you're probably hard headed.
p.s.
With that 9000 sticking out the back of your L2900, trying to traverse a field at any rate of speed above a crawl would be more detrimental to the tractor than using the hoe in a sensible manner.

 

[jimainiac]

I would think you'd be able to find answers to all your questions about mounting your backhoe from a knowledgeable Kubota/Woods dealer. I notice you're in New Hampshire, there's an excellent Kubota and Woods dealer in Gorham, Maine, Wescott and Sons, that I bet could help you out. I've found them to be very helpful. Our L3830 came with the BH9000, and yes, the subframe is the 1006837 4point mount kit.
I'd like to pass on a little modification I made, that helped me considerably. The first times that I remounted the backhoe, I had a really hard time getting it lined up and hooked in to the subframe, so I took a 4 1/2" grinder and bevelled all the leading edges of the backhoe frame and the subframe. Now it just plops in.

 

[K7147]

Design,

I can provide no more specifics and repeat that you should contact an informed Woods/Kubota dealer concerning the mating of the tractor and BH9000. The BH9000 is a wonderful piece of equipment and I’m certain the same is true for your L2900. That is not to say that a marriage between the two is not fraught with peril.

Did I ever tell you the story about the marriage counselor who retired a rich man? He only had one set of clients. An elephant married to a giraffe!

Ken