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shrekbelly

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hey all,
i'd like to know if you think a box blade with the scarifiers down a bit, would they and the rear ground scraping leading edge help me take out mini stumps,
and their roots, perhaps up to 3" od. or is that a really bad idea?
i suppose i could rent a portable stump grinder, but i have yet to get the box blade and i have my eye on total cost of getting this clearing done. shrekbelly
 
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You should give info on the size of tractor you plan to use otherwise there is no way of knowing.
 
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My opinion is that a box blade doesn't work very well in removing stumps. It tends to bounce over them or if too big, just stop the tractor. I would worry about bending the box blade. I would not be too optimistic about using a BB for this purpose. Check out a root grapple, as it is designed to do this and much more (assuming you have a FEL), and will allow you to carry stumps away to a pile. You may snag out a few small stumps with a BB, but not consistently.
 
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If you had a set of forks, you might be able to jam the forks in and pop the tree, roots or all.
 
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I've experimented with the BB and small stumps. I found it pretty useless.

Also tried an 18" sub soiler. Seems to just deflect around them, it's difficult to get a grab and it doesn't take much stump to get all for R4's on my L3400, well at least 3 of them.

I have had pretty good success pushing over 3" trees with the loader and tipping them out with the tooth bar. They pull out OK when you wrap a chain around them a few feet up too. Better to top them, than duck. Soil, weight, tires are all factors. Best bet is to get them out before they are stumps.
 
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I really find the box blade to be a usefull tool, but I think removing stumps is beyond its abilities. I would predict that it is most likely to stall the tractor. I would be cautious about pushing/ramming with rear edge. You might do damage to your three point hitch. If you have a toothbar, that could help alot in digging them out. If you have many stumps, you are looking at significant seat time :D. Unless you really need those stumps out of the ground, you might want to consider renting a stumpgrinder and burying the roots. You could do quite a few stumps of that size in a day. Good luck with your project.
 
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thank you, full bucket.
i am getting pricing on a toothbar as we speak, if that fails, i will rent a stumpgrinder. thanks for all the responses. shrekbelly
 
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I've yanked quite a few stumps with a BB. That being said, the possibility of damage does exist.

If you pull forward with the teeth down, you'll rip through the roots of most 3" diameter trees with no problem. Just go slow so that you don't mess something up. And never use the outside teeth - the two center ones are the only ones you should use, or you'll tweak something.

When working with stumps up to 6" diameter, I snag the root, then lift the BB. This action will not break many roots, but if you back up slowly while lifting, it will tear part of the side of the root. If you repeat several times, you'll eventually break the root.

Now, what's my BB look like today? Well, the first very large roots I tackled with the BB were way too big. It was a 24" diameter stump, but it was dead for many years, so I thought the roots would be soft. After "jerking" into the roots many times, the slots that hold the two center teeth became elongated. Those two teeth now angle back further than the outer ones. No big deal, but it taught me to be more careful.

Yesterday, while helping a friend (he was also on a 'bota), I was pushing dirt backwards with my BB, and started spinning. I thought that I was just pushing too much dirt, so I continued pushing slowly, while slowly raising the BB. Then I heard a strange sound, and saw the whole BB being bent down to a 45 degree angle! It turns out that I snagged a hidden stump with the rear blade. Paint fell off in several places where the frame got tweaked. To fix it, I hooked the stump with the front balde on the BB, and it easily bent back into shape.

You'll notice on the KK brand of BB that the upper and lower members are connected only with the 3 PT pins, and are not welded. This allows the two members to go "different directions", i.e. the pins act like a hinge. If they were welded, it may be a better design... OR, you could end up damaging the tractor. I don't think I'll be welding those spots.

I've used my tooth bar to break roots as well, but the short teeth don't allow you to get to the roots next to the stump with the center teeth. You'll be tempted to use the teeth on the edges of the bucket, but then you risk bending your FEL, or worse, rolling the tractor. Whatever you do, make sure that you use the much stronger "curling" action (with the bucket on the ground) rather than the "lifting" action.

Even the little 'botas have enough poop to damage themselves or the implements being used. Always try to work in slow motion to limit potential damage.

Good luck.
 
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When I plan on removing the stumps, I cut the tree about 3 to 4 feet above the ground. That 3 to 4 feet gives you alot of leverage to push and pull on, when you go after the stump. When you cut them flush, you haven't much to work with. Learned this the hard way. Sounds like it may be too late for this round but might help in the future.
 
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I just cleared 1/2 acre of small stumps (1-4"). I cut them off at 4' high. I used a choker chain to grip on the stump 3' off the ground. Put er in low gear and took off. The trees leaned over breaking half the roots before the chain really got tight.
 

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