which motor package for sb200

[theoshin]

Timm9 and DEWFPO and everybody else. anybody with a sb200 high flow motor package that works well in high flow??? i have an offer to trade in my like new 240 (number 8 motor package) for a new 200. i would need to pick one of 2 motor packages

1) 21-26gpm for dryer snow

2) 25-31gpm for wetter snow

i see timm9 has a 1463 fan motor - that part number is not listed in my dealers book. i see dewfpo has the 1464 motor. he is not happy with throw distance in high flow. i have a 240 which works good in low flow but does not throw far. anybody with a sb200 with a 8 (21-26) or 9.6 (25-31) that they are happy with??? i also can't figure out why a higher gpm motor would be better in wet snow? does it turn slower with more torque???

thx

 

[Spudgunner]

Timm9 and DEWFPO and everybody else. anybody with a sb200 high flow motor package that works well in high flow??? i have an offer to trade in my like new 240 (number 8 motor package) for a new 200. i would need to pick one of 2 motor packages

1) 21-26gpm for dryer snow

2) 25-31gpm for wetter snow

i see timm9 has a 1463 fan motor - that part number is not listed in my dealers book. i see dewfpo has the 1464 motor. he is not happy with throw distance in high flow. i have a 240 which works good in low flow but does not throw far. anybody with a sb200 with a 8 (21-26) or 9.6 (25-31) that they are happy with??? i also can't figure out why a higher gpm motor would be better in wet snow? does it turn slower with more torque???

thx

My SB200 has the 1464 motor. I'm am moderately pleased with the casting distance under hi-flow. Somehow I don't think I'm going to get the casting distance I want until I get a S250 that'll do like 37GPM. That ain't gonna be soon. (Although tomorrow I am getting an A300 "loaner" from Bobcat to replace my dead TC until it gets fixed.)

 

[DEWFPO]

Which fan motor is in your SB240?

DEWFPO

P.S. I wonder why the fan housing does not have a drain hole drilled into it like my other blowers. The fan was frozen solid today. I stalled the Toolcat 3 times trying to free it, no luck. Had to switch out to the blade while I defrosted it. I may be drilling a hole come spring.

DEWFPO

 

[theoshin]

i have the 8.0 motor package - i think that is the 21-26 but not for sure - would sure be nice if bobcat did not use a different number on the motor package vs the drive motors.

 

[DEWFPO]

I wonder why the fan housing does not have a drain hole drilled into it like my other blowers. The fan was frozen solid today. I stalled the Toolcat 3 times trying to free it, no luck. Had to switch out to the blade while I defrosted it. I may be drilling a hole come spring.

DEWFPO

I answered my own question. I was able to dig in there and did find a hole, plugged by a big block of ice from behind. I guess I'm going to have to stick on one of those silicone heating pads for the winter to keep the bottom of the fan housing above 32F. You can't get at the bottom of the curved housing since it's boxed in but I can put the heater on the back of the housing above the hole. We'll see if that helps.

DEWFPO

 

[SP6x6]

First time on forum. I have a sb200 on a s185, no hi flow, and I was looking at a 5600 2006 w/ hi flow that had a sb240. The dealers personal unit, and he said it would "blow" my unit away.WHEN I BOUGHT my machine new with I THOUGHT everything, Gold package nobody mentioned hi flow. Live in the mountains of Montana, and last week snow was deeper than blower. Told that I cant retro fit hi flow by 2 dealers. But everyone tells me the sb 240 outperforms the sb 200. Cost to trade in $20000. FOR SAME machine with hi flow, I would go to a s250 but then I need a new hoe. Figure for that price why not a new, used machine that goes faster, nice cab, etc. By the way DEWFPO I scoop fan area clean at end of day and that helps alot for freeze up

 

[timm9]

You might search and read some of the other posts. If I'm not mistaken, there are TC owners that are not overly excited about the performance of the TC/SB240 combination. When I purchased my TC's (both hi flow) I was told/warned by the dealer not to purchase the SB240. With that said, both of mine are B series and I believe that there were some changes in GPM's and pressure in the later series.

You might also contact the folks at Erskine. The Bobcat Blowers are actually Erskine's design and Bobcat ended up with the designs after purchasing the Erskine plant.

Tim

 

[Spudgunner]

I'll echo everything timm9 said. I was also advised not to go with a SB240...and I have the "D" version of the Toolcat. Actual tests have shown that my unit will pump a hair over 30GPM @ 3KPSI and I still wouldn't go with an SB240.

I ended up with a BC SB200 but I purchased a slightly used Erskine ES2000 last summer. Very similar units except for the chute. IMHO, Erskine beat BC on that one. On the flip side, my BC unit's auger is heavier steel.

DO NOT FORGET TO CHECK INTO ELECTRICAL COMPATIBILITY if you get the Erskine. When I bought my TC that was an issue that required an auxiliary "box o' buttons" for chute rotation/elevation. It is my understanding that there is a much more streamlined solution now for Erskine/Q-A's.

 

[SP6x6]

Timm9, That has me curious that my dealer is running this set up, he also has 3 studs on each of his A4 tiers per tread, and says it works well. I am waiting to go for a ride in this set up when it is down at his shop next and we will take it out in the deep snow there. The sales manager says it throws the snow 40' easy.

 

[SP6x6]

Spud gunner, The offical site for Bobcat also shows a SB240 on a tool cat. What is the solution for 3' type drifted snow? It seems like the Toolcat is more user friendly for snow removal than a SS. Better visability,comfort, less cab noise and speed.Also less weight to haul to the job than a large frame SS.

 

[timm9]

SP6x6,

I'm not sure what tactic Spudgunner uses but when we are faced with a burm that is 3 to 6 feet we start by raising the blower box and eating off the top until we are down to pavement. Once a blower wide section has been opened you can then take smaller ( 1/2 to 1/3 the width of the box) bites without much difficulty. The other thing we do is open the width as we go instead of blowing the entire length first. This way if you plug the blower or have a mechanical issue you can actually open the door and get out of the TC versus being "trapped" by the narrow (blower box width) area you opened.

 

[SP6x6]

Timm9, That is my technique now, it is just that the dealer lead me to believe the SB240 would work. I have worked side by side w/s250 ,7' SB240& SBX 240 AND they seriously launch the snow. They can walk threw 3' no chains easy, hi flowtoo.

 

[Spudgunner]

Spud gunner, The offical site for Bobcat also shows a SB240 on a tool cat. What is the solution for 3' type drifted snow? It seems like the Toolcat is more user friendly for snow removal than a SS. Better visability,comfort, less cab noise and speed.Also less weight to haul to the job than a large frame SS.

To each their own, I'm just mentioning what my sales guy said about the larger blowers. In fact he initially objected to the 72" SB200 and would only spec one out after I insisted. After using a SB200, I would not opt for the larger blower because it's my opinion that the SB200 (I have the 72" model) is all my TC can handle from a hydraulic standpoint for my conditions....and to a lesser degree weight (check out the boom config on a TC vs SS.) Remember that your blower will become packed with snow which will add weight as well. But it's the hydraulics that seem to be the real limitation to me. There are folks here who use the 240...you might search for their posts.

After using the SB200 and then seeing the snow removal vids on the BC website, I don't give much weight to what I see on their site. YMMV.

In the TC vs. SS debate, you're absolutely right about visibility, sound, comfort. Weight doesn't seem like a big deal because I think you'll find that you'll like ballasting a TC. Speed IS a big deal. With the ability to go at least 18MPH, you may find you use your trailer lots less. On the other hand, there's a guy about 50 miles north of me that traded his TC for a S250 HF and he couldn't be happier. He's into moving big quantities of snow and likes to throw it a long way. I believe he has a 240.

IIRC, it sounds like your sales guy will demo the equipment for you. Can't get much better than that! If I was rich I'd get both a TC and S250/S300 class machine. Woot! Good luck with your purchase, whichever machine you get.

 

[Navigator7]

To each their own, I'm just mentioning what my sales guy said about the larger blowers. In fact he initially objected to the 72" SB200 and would only spec one out after I insisted. After using a SB200, I would not opt for the larger blower because it's my opinion that the SB200 (I have the 72" model) is all my TC can handle from a hydraulic standpoint for my conditions....and to a lesser degree weight (check out the boom config on a TC vs SS.)

I agree. There is no free lunch...and no free horsepower. A bigger blower will work until you get to a real load...and then it will be like peddling uphill three gears too high. You'll smoke your hydie oil and still not turn the bigger load at the right speed.

 

[DEWFPO]

When the mechanic was out last week he forgot to bring his pressure gauge setup to check my output pressures (duh!). He said that I have the correct motor (1464) for this machine (High Flow TC) and snowblower (SB200-72) based on their past experiences. He thought this fan motor was rated at ~40GPM. He said they have previously gone with smaller, higher speed motors and they threw the snow further but they got very hot in the process and lugged the engine down when blowing heavy or deep snow. He said they prefer to spec this motor (1464) to provide better motor longevity and less engine pulldown. He said since the motor can handle ~40 gpm you have to run the Toolcat at full power all the time when you are snowblowing to get any throw out of it since even with the high flow option on the TC you are putting out <30 gpm. I have not been able to get the actual specs on this motor from the manufacturer to verify this information.

DEWFPO

 

[Spudgunner]

DEWFPO,
You have the exact same SB200 setup as I. As usual, here's some good news and bad news...

First, the good.... Following is a link to the PDF covering Char-Lynn's (Eaton) hyd motors:
http://hydraulics.eaton.com/products/pdfs/E-MOLO-MC001-E5.pdf

The 105 prefix on our fan motor p/n appears to designate it as a Series 2000. Specifically, I believe it is a Series 2000 Wheel Motor as shown on pg. 21 of this PDF. And...I think the displacement is 8.0 cu. in. as my sales order specifies an "8.0" motor and Char-Lynn just happens to have an 8.0 motor. This is an inference on my part that may not pan-out.

The bad news... the 1464 isn't listed in the above document. I've read elsewhere that this is an OEM-only motor...which may explain the omission. Seems strange to me, but there is no 105-1464 motor that I could find listed. The 1464 motor also appears to have the "manifold" mounting style as shown on pg. 27. The table showing p/n's is on pg. 29. Note that 105-xxxx motors are all "wheel motors" in that matrix.

Big question for me: What's the hyd flow limits on this motor? Based on the above document, it looks to me like Series 2000 motors should run in the range of 20-30 GPM.

It would be interesting to know what the guys with heavy, hi-flow SS's (e.g. S250) are using for blowers. I'd be a little reluctant to run my SB200 on such a SS with hi-flow turned-on given the specs for the Series 2000 motors.

 

[SP6x6]

My buddy runs a A300 SS with a SBX240 x 84, it supposedly takes 35-42 GPM . When the snow is heavy he wishes he had a 100 hp machine. He is full comm. at the ski area

 

[DEWFPO]

DEWFPO,
You have the exact same SB200 setup as I. As usual, here's some good news and bad news...

First, the good.... Following is a link to the PDF covering Char-Lynn's (Eaton) hyd motors:
http://hydraulics.eaton.com/products/pdfs/E-MOLO-MC001-E5.pdf

The 105 prefix on our fan motor p/n appears to designate it as a Series 2000. Specifically, I believe it is a Series 2000 Wheel Motor as shown on pg. 21 of this PDF. And...I think the displacement is 8.0 cu. in. as my sales order specifies an "8.0" motor and Char-Lynn just happens to have an 8.0 motor. This is an inference on my part that may not pan-out.

The bad news... the 1464 isn't listed in the above document. I've read elsewhere that this is an OEM-only motor...which may explain the omission. Seems strange to me, but there is no 105-1464 motor that I could find listed. The 1464 motor also appears to have the "manifold" mounting style as shown on pg. 27. The table showing p/n's is on pg. 29. Note that 105-xxxx motors are all "wheel motors" in that matrix.

Big question for me: What's the hyd flow limits on this motor? Based on the above document, it looks to me like Series 2000 motors should run in the range of 20-30 GPM.

It would be interesting to know what the guys with heavy, hi-flow SS's (e.g. S250) are using for blowers. I'd be a little reluctant to run my SB200 on such a SS with hi-flow turned-on given the specs for the Series 2000 motors.

Thanks for the info Spudgunner. I too have been trying to research info on the 105-1464 but it is nonexistent and e-mails to Eaton/Char-Lynn and others have gone unanswered.

There are a few here that apparently have the 9.6 motor pkg. I wonder what fan motor (P/N) they have.

DEWFPO

 

[Spudgunner]

My buddy runs a A300 SS with a SBX240 x 84, it supposedly takes 35-42 GPM . When the snow is heavy he wishes he had a 100 hp machine. He is full comm. at the ski area

I'd like to see that run! When visiting my BC dealer last week they had several S250-S300 machines with SBX blowers attached sitting in service bays. I didn't think to look at the part numbers on the fan motors. My wild guess is that they are Series 4000 Char-Lynn motors. Note: "Wild Guess". I'll be visiting my dealer in Boise sometime in the next couple of weeks to discuss this subject as I'm possibly in the market for a S205 or S250. Hi-flow on the 205 would work perfectly with the blowers I have (BC SB-200 and Erskine/QA ES2000) while a 250 might not due to it's hi-flow numbers (37 GPM). About the last thing I want to do is buy a new blower what with having two sitting down in my barn at this point.