What to ask when looking at a Jubilee?

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GabeTX

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Hello--I've been considering getting a tractor for mowing (I have 4 flat acres of lovely weeds and mud), building a fence (augering, lifting cross members, etc.), and eventually improving the weeds and mud. I've already gotten some great advice here. Thanks!

A local used dealer has a Jubilee available.

I've done some basic research, and know where the NAA fits into Ford's history, etc. There seems to be a lot of information out there about 8N's, but less about the Jubilee. Now for the questions /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Is there anything about the Jubilee that makes it less desireable then an 8n? What's parts availability like for it? I've found a checklist of things to look at when inspecting an 8n for purchase--does most of that apply to the Jubilee? Any specific "gotchas" I should look for or questions I should ask? What price range is reasonable (they're asking $3k)?
 
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If it was me, I would give a shout to soundguy here on TBN. He does a lot of work/research on the older fords. My dad was a mechanic on the old ford tractors for many years and if he was around I could ask him for you, but he is on vacation right now. Swear he could take them old fords apart and put them back together blindfolded.

murph
 
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I'm going to say that Soundguy (and maybe Jinman) is going to be more of Ford and possibly a Jubilee expert, but I do play with tractors of that era. First make sure it is a real Jubilee not an NAA. There is a difference. The Jubilee is an aniversary edition, only made 1 year, it is special, and more collectable than either an 8N or an NAA. The Jubilee is an improved 8N for all practical purposes, parts are easy to get. From the collectors standpoint, if it is $3K, then I would jump at it even if it was in pretty rough condition.
 
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Gabe, Bob is correct that the 1953 Jubilee was the first year of the NAA and it was called the "Golden" Jubilee because of Ford's 50th Anniversary. The 1954 NAA was also a Jubilee, but Ford dropped the Golden Jubilee from the wheat emblem on the front of the hood. The Jubilee has the Ford red tiger 134 cu. in. overhead valve engine and a hydralic pump thats mounted on the engine instead of inside the transmission casing. That allows the NAAs to have live hydraulics. That's a big plus for the Jubilee. The weight of the NAA is around 2500 lb, and it has almost 10 more hp than an 8N. The NAAs hood also stands a little taller than the 8N, but that is more cosmetic than real.

Make sure you operate the tractor until it is warmed up completely. You want to know that the radiator and water pump are in good shape. If the electrical system has been converted to 12 volts, you'll also see quicker/easier starts. After the tractor is warm, make sure the hydraulics will lift a good load and shut off the tractor to see how fast the 3PH drops. It should drop very little. Also look at the wheels to make sure the rear axle seals aren't leaking. If they are, you may also have a brake problem due to oil soaked brakes.
Those are some quick things to look for other than the usual oil leaks or smoking. Clutches can also be a cantankerous if the rear engine seals are leaky.

On a tractor this old, you will surely find things that need fixing. Most anything you will need will be available for that NAA either from a New Holland dealer or many after-market suppliers. You won't be left out in the cold looking for parts. When you are ready to upgrade, you'll get your money back and maybe more if you sell it. Jubilees stopped depreciating long, long ago and now they are going back up in value. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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Like the others have said, the NAA and Jubilee where a great tractor. I'd take it hands down over an 8 or 9N.
 
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Go to this Board. Look in ht earchives. More info than you want. http://www.ytmag.com/ford/wwwboard1.html and this one http://hometown.aol.com/naa60512/naa.htm

The Jub is a lot more tractor than an 8N.. I've had an 8N and now a 600 which is similar to a Jub but a little more yet. The Jub is just an anniversary NAA. A lot more tractor (motor-trans), similar styling to 8N, better hydraulics etc. Check out those boards. john
 
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Jinman and the others pretty much already covered it.. but the 'jubilee' designation stopped after sn 77xxx.

Also The sn will be just aft of the starter, unless is is a early model, in which case the sn could be on the front left of the engine. If you happen to find a unit with no sn on the engine or tranny case behind the starter.. that means you have a chasie from the early sn 50K and it had an engine replacement after sn 50K where there was no engine sn.

Like the 8n, there are lots of parts available, many at TSC.

Besides checking for leaky axle seals ( oil from hub area on either side of the rim. Check for loose hubs. Stand by a rear tire and rock tractor sisde to side. Should be no movement other than 'tire' give.

Check steering. Drive it around.. Steering parts are not super high.. nor super hard to install.. but you don't want to buy it and immediatly have to tear the hood / gas tank off and rebuild the steering box to drop in a 7$ bearing...

See if the pto stays in gear fine.. if they have a beat up rotary cutter.. see if you can make a pass around their yard.. etc. Check clutch action and brakes.. as long as their is brake shoe left.. they are easy to adjust.

Look for pto seal leaks, and leaks at the lower 3pt lift pins. ( a leak at a lower lift pin requires pulling the axle and trumpet and chunk out... ).

Check for smooth governor response.. not surging.

2 types of hyd pump. oem was a van pump... small and square ( has tach drive ).. replacement was a piston pump.. longer, round / cylinderish ( has tach drive ).. the both work / fit, but have different piping/manifolds for oil delivery. Each are very $pendy to repair/replace.

Simple wear parts under the lift cover like piston, etc aren't much money.. just a bit of heavy lifting.

If you get it.. also get the I&T fo-19 manual, as well as a MPC manual.

Check fluids.. look for water emulsion in oils, and oil in radiator.

This tractor uses a seperate diffy sump, tranny sump, and hyd sump. ( 8n had (1) 5 gallon sump ).

Check to make sure it doesn't jump out of gear.. specifically 1st. Drive in 1st gear and lightly 'gun' throttle a few times.. this is a rare problem...

Check the pto shaft out. OEM it was 6 spline 1 1/8" New style is 6 spline 1 3/8"

Not end of the world if you have the old one. Either use a 1 1/8>1 3/8 ORC.. or use a pto stub extender that bushings it from 1 1/8 to 1 3/8. Stay away from a thin sheetmetal bushing adapter... only use the stub extender. ( or orc ).. the stub extender will slid on and make the oem pto stub look like a new style. My NAA has one as I wanted to keep it stock.. works great with a 5' mower.

I paid 2000$ for mine.. but it was a rust bucket, and need a tire, and an oil gauge, as well as some other small fixes.

Check for the existance of the left side running board/tool box. To find an oem one is rare. i see the repros and salvaged ones go for 150$. Most just add a left 8n running board and forget about it.

Check it over. Most people can't tell a jubilee from an NAA, or either of them apart from a Hundred series.

A quick check to tell a jubilee/naa from a hundred series is to look at the rear wheel hub... naa has a big axle nut.. hundred series has a smooth dished hub. Sheet metal is all but identical.

3k is good range for a useable machine.

If you have any questions onthe old fords let me know. I've got a 2n, 8n, NAA, and 660 setting out in the barn. All but the 2n are 'workers'. ( 2n is a 'looker' )

Not that it makes a difference.. but see if it still has the oem engine oil filter canister housing, or if it has been converted to a spin on. Canister is more 'correct'.. however spin on is easier to service...

If it's got a 12v alternator on it, but still using a 6v coil, and has a dropping resistor.. immediatly upgrade to a napa IC14SB ( 14.99$ ) coil, and get rid of the 6v coil and resistor.

al 437 spark plugs are good( some like champion h12 ), and use metal core spark plug wires.. not modern anti radio static ones. TSC sells a cut-to-fit set.

Let it get warm and check temp gauge and oil pressure.

good luck

Soundguy
 
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Dang!

I was planning on posting back after I went to check it out and possibly buy it this Saturday, but that's just too much good information from everyone to go that long without a thanks.

So thanks to everyone. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Especially to jinman and Soundguy I'm gonna write up a check list based on those posts and take it with me. No way I can remember all that. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Gabe, just because there is a long list of things to look for, it doesn't mean that you will find more than a few of them on the Jubilee you are looking at. Just remember that's a 50 yr-old tractor. It will have some "issues" but just because it's 50 years old and still works tells you that it must be a pretty remarkable machine. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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That's good advice from Jinman. Don't 'hold' out for a 'perfect' unit. For one.. you may never find it... and if you do find a great condition non restored unit.. or a restored one.. you will pay more for it. Sometimes the 'diamonds in the rough' are the desireable ones. Find one with as few major problems, and then go. I have a friend that wanted to work on a 'hopeless case' and got a naa out of a farmers field for free. it had been there for 20 plus years.. all castings filled with water.. etc. It has taken him a year to refurb it.. he practically changed every part except for the block, head, and actual chassie castings.. all new innards.. etc. I'm guessing he has 4-5K in it.. but that was for a 'salvage' tractor...

Her's a shot of my NAA... It took me about ? 6-8 months to do. i paid 2000$ for it. One rear tire had a slow leak.. and it had a badly done 12v conversion that had a slipping belt and ill fitting alternator bracket. No oil pressure gauge.. I bought it on 'faith' after seeing oil dripping from the crimped off oil line. My first 'repair was the make or break test. i stopped and bought a 9.99 oil gaguge that day and installed it while the tractor was still chained down to the trailer. I was overjoyed to see 50 psi of oil pressure that leveled off to about 35-40 at hot idle.

The one leaky rear tire cost me nearly 500$ alone.. I figure I sunk about 1000$ to 1200$ in parts and paint, manuals.. decals.. etc. I had a good set of 6x16 tires and rims left over from my 8n as I had installed a nice set of 4x19's on my 8n.

Unit runs good.. no leaks. I have a steering bearing starting to go as I can feel some resistance steering and get some wheel rise when steering one direction.. this is that 7$ bearing I told you about. One day when it gets bad enough.. I'll strip the sheet metal off to pull the steering box top off and drop in a new bearing. Since I've had it ( 3 years?) I've also had to drop in a whopping 80 bucks on a starter rebuild.. here's a pic..

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here's what it looked like when I brought it home.

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Soundguy
 

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