well question

[forgeblast]

Hi all, i have a deep fast well at the house, but i want to eventually be able to hook up a hand pump to it. What size galvanized pipe (the plastic will freeze and break up in the winter) do i need to start buying. Is it a standard size or is every pump head different. I thought i heard that 1 1/4 inch galvanized pipe was the standard but i cant remember for sure.
thanks
Forgeblast

 

[RonMar]

How deep is the well? Do you get water out of the well now, if so how?

Ron

 

[tommu56]

forgblast
Any pipe full of water will freeze and split/brake you need a hand pump that will self drain and the pump cylinder is below frost lin.

Again how deep
the other Question is what is a fast well that is a new one to me

is there a submersable pump inthe well now?

[Edit] I looked up were you are and you are about the same longitude as my other place and frost line is 3 to 4 feet

tommu56

 

[forgeblast]

Im not sure how deep, i am going to call the guy who put it in, (we bought the house with it there). Yes there is a submersible there now, its how we get our house water.
Fast because when we went to do the house test it came up with some nastys in the water (bio), they tried to clorine it out and the water was moving to fast to keep it in there to kill them, we now have a uv light on our inlet water line.
i have been looking for frost free pump heads and came across one i will post link later.

 

[JRobyn]

Contact these guys:

DEAN BENNETT SUPPLY at 800-621-4291 is your water well pump and windmill supply store.

They know everything about any kind of hand or wind powered pump and have all the supplies (pipe, lift rod, pump cylinders, foot valves, top works/handles). Their pump works are all equipped for drain-out for freeze prevention.

 

[megotatractor]

Hand pump? why? to save electricity? sounds like you have a well that is supplying the house and what you're asking about is a yard hydrant that looks like a hand pump but is really just a valve and self draining?

 

[tommu56]

if you want a yard hydrant you can drill the top of the pittless adaptor and put one on there and it sill self drain down in well when closed.

tommu56

 

[forgeblast]

jrobyn thanks for the site it has a lot.

I want a hand pump for "just in case". I took stock of what we have and a major concern of mine is fresh water. my neighbor has a pond, very small and you wouldnt pay me to drink from it. I figured since i have the well near my house i might as well, start saving up and buying pieces that i can afford now while the price of metal doesnt require a third mortgage.
The wife and I did a five year and 10 year plan of where we want to be with what emergency supplies we would like to have in place. Since we are coming up to 5 years in the house i thought i would start working on some of the 10 year items.
thanks for the help

this is the one web site i was talking about
Stainless Deep Well Water Pump FAQS @ Survival Unlimited .com
not sure how duriable it will be.

 

[tommu56]

forgeblast

That pump will freeze in the winter if it stays full of water you might be better off with a generator to run existing pump .

tommu56

 

[Egon]

If I'm understanding you correctly you wish to run two tubing strings in one casing??

If that is correct the strings must be sized so they both fit in the casing.

Will the standby hand pump just be for filling pails of water at the pump? If so a small hole drilled in the tubing below the frost line should drain water so the pump does not freeze. That is if you are using sucker rods and have the pump landed deeper in the well.

I'd have a tendency to go for a generator backup for the submersible.

 

[forgeblast]

I guess that the generator back up would be a lot easier, less work and probably the same money. i am wondering about a solar back up.

the casing is 6'' across, if i went with then hand pump i would want to run both lines in the same casing.

yes i would only use it to fill pails, so drilling a drain hole is a good idea.

thank you all, i reallly like to get different views on how to do a project like this, that way i can find the best fit for our system. i will look at some generators and some solar back ups maby just for the well.
thanks all

 

[megotatractor]

I vote for the generator. Hopefully you know the voltage and horsepower of the pump?

 

[Jimbrown]

Personally I would just weait for the current pump to fail it probably will soon if it 5 years old or better, and replace it with one of these.
Grundfos SQFlex Submersible Solar Pumps

I have a 6 SQF 2 in mine It runs on almost anything 30 -300 DC or 90 - 240 AC.

 

[forgeblast]

pump is about 10 years old, how long do they normally last?
thanks

 

[MarkV]

If you’re well feed enters the house in a basement area I am wondering if you could not install a holding tank inline. Lose power and a valve on a 300 gallon holding tank would supply a lot of water.

MarkV

 

[Soundguy]

Solar backup? Yuck.. Got to keep batteries arounf for it.. but the time you need it.. batteries probably out of date... Get a good genny and maintain it and use it for other thing.. and just have your well setup so that you can plug it into the genny when / if needed.

soudnguy

I guess that the generator back up would be a lot easier, less work and probably the same money. i am wondering about a solar back up.

the casing is 6'' across, if i went with then hand pump i would want to run both lines in the same casing.

yes i would only use it to fill pails, so drilling a drain hole is a good idea.

thank you all, i reallly like to get different views on how to do a project like this, that way i can find the best fit for our system. i will look at some generators and some solar back ups maby just for the well.
thanks all

 

[forgeblast]

Is it efficent to run your well on a generator? since you wont be using your well continously will you waste fuel?

 

[Phils]

Is it efficient to run your well on a generator? since you wont be using your well continuously will you waste fuel?

You may want to increase the bladder tank capacity. We have two (forget the specs, but they are each about 5' tall and 1 1/2' diameter). If you are in an emergency situation (the original intent of your question I think) just run the generator to pump up the tanks and then shut it off to save fuel. If you've got wash to do, run the gen for the load, make sure the tanks are full when it's done, then shut down the gen.

Having the larger tanks should help in the meantime to limit the on-off cycles of the well pump too.

Phil

 

[forgeblast]

Thanks for that info we have a smaller tank i will have to look into the larger ones. I really appreciate all the help its a lot to think over, but thats why i wanted to get started now.
appreciate it.
forgeblast