Welding Up?

[Jay4200]

I found a split on the bottom of my FEL bucket which needed a weld repair. The best I could do was to get the bottom of the bucket just past vertical, so I had to weld onto a vertical surface. I got it stuck together, but it's REALLY ugly.

I was using an AC stick welder and have 7014 and 6013 rods at my disposal - no clue which rod is for what (as many times as I learn the numbering code, I always immediately forget)... I was using 7014 rods yesterday.

Can someone describe the technique for welding up?

Thanks - JayC

 

[RobJ]

7014 are better the welding you are doing. I seem to have better luck going up instead of down. Either way just get good penitration and who cares what it looks like. That's what grinders are for in welding.

 

[BTDT]

I guess you could take the bucket off and turn it over so your welding level. Seems easy enough, especially if you have the QA type setup.

 

[kevinj]

I found a split on the bottom of my FEL bucket which needed a weld repair. The best I could do was to get the bottom of the bucket just past vertical, so I had to weld onto a vertical surface. I got it stuck together, but it's REALLY ugly.

I was using an AC stick welder and have 7014 and 6013 rods at my disposal - no clue which rod is for what (as many times as I learn the numbering code, I always immediately forget)... I was using 7014 rods yesterday.

Can someone describe the technique for welding up?

Thanks - JayC

6011 is one rod for AC out of position work

 

[BobG_in_VA]

6011 is one rod for AC out of position work

It WILL penetrate probably better than any other rod....who cares what it looks like...take a 3/8" piece of plate steel and weld it over the fissure...then don't look back...keep on going...BobG in VA

 

[john_bud]

Don't even try and mess around with it in an akward position if you aren't a skilled welder. I'm a decent backyard welder and it is best to take the 10 min to get the bucket off the tractor and weld it straight down. Get a grinder and make a good groove. Then use an Ox/Ac torch to heat the edge up to 400F and use NEW 7018 rod. Give the weld area a good post heat so it cools slow. The heating will help you avoid issues if the edge is carbon steel. It probably isn't, but it will still weld better when heated up.

jb

 

[sandman2234]

7014 rod is one of my favorites, but it is for flat welding only. If the metal is completely clean, the rods are dry, etc, then it will make welds that make you look like a professional. But if anything is out of place, they do not do a good job. For horizontal welding on clean metal, I will grab them everytime, but for out of position welding, (sounds like you are doing overhead?) then the rod you need is 6011. 7018 would also work well but requires a little more practice to run them right.
I would remove the bucket, grind off the weld you just added, clean out the crack and use 7018 if you have a DC machine, or 6011 on AC.
David from jax

 

[GaryE]

I have found the best "AC" rod to weld out of position is the 7018 AC rod. Yes they do make a 7018 AC rod. I have found it seems to work best welding down a vertical weld with this rod.



Hope this is of some help,



Gary

 

[Ifixcars]

Of the 2 rods you have I would use the 6013 for Vert up. It freezes faster than the 7014, which is used better for flat welding. It's not as deep penetrating as 6011 or 6010 but it does make a nice bead, very nice. You might as well try it unless you want to buy more rods. Use a little weaving motion with your rod angled slightly up, and build little "shelves" for the molten metal to sit on as you move up. Also, for the 6013 rod, keep the arc very very short, contacting the puddle at the leading edge.

 

[3RRL]

I use 6011 or 7018AC rod. Seems to work best for OP welding for me.
Also, weave the rod as has been said. The slight sideways movement allows a millisecond of extra cooling so as not to drool the puddle. Use minimum amperage ... only as many amps as needed to strike the arc and get good penetration. I got some 7018AC rod at Home depot, if you're wondering. But make sure it's AC for your AC machine.

Of those two, I prefer 6011 for the root pass and then 7018AC if required.
I also prefer to weld downhill as I find it easier to control the bead, and it doesn't seem to "glob up" as much as going uphill. But you can go either up or down.