Weight Dist question...

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I've been hauling my tractors for years with 3 different trailers as time progressed. I've alwyas used a WD hitch. This may be a stupid question, but the hitch on my truck says 600 tounge weight, 6000 trailer weight, or 1150 tounge WD and 10500 trailer weight WD. What if I replaced the hitch with a class 5 1500 tounge and 15000 trailer. Would that eliminate the WD bars? Is the WD for the benefit of the hitch / trailer combo, or the way the weight is distributed to the truck. The truck in question is a 4 dr chevy 1/2 ton with HD towing. The trailer is a 17' deckover. I only use the bars when I haul one of the heavier tractors, say 5500 lbs? I actually enjoy the smaller truck. I usually don't haul far, usually within 50 miles of home, and the 340 days or so a year I don't haul, I'm getting 18+ MPG. My combo is within my GCVWR. Oh, and no, I'm not going to buy a $50,000 truck that gets 12-14 MPG when empty for a daily driver.

Any ideas, or stupid question? Thanks to all replies......
 
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The stronger hitch will not eliminate the need. The reason for a WD system is to remove some of the load from the rear axle of the truck to the front. This does three things. First it keeps you from overloading your axle which on a GM 1/2 ton truck will have somewhere around 1,200# of capacity left beyond the empty weight of the truck. The second is it helps maintain control by planting the front wheel of the truck on the ground for positive brake control and steering. Third and lastly it will help spread the load on the hitches mounting bolts to the frame. The GM hitches are notoriously weak prior to 2008 3/4 tons and up.

A bigger hitch is not necessary for your truck. I did put on on my diesel F-350 to take advantage of the heavier truck and the hitch was not rated to its capacity but that is a whole different beast. Just keep using your WD system. Its safer for everyone that way.

Chris
 
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The stronger hitch will not eliminate the need. The reason for a WD system is to remove some of the load from the rear axle of the truck to the front. This does three things. First it keeps you from overloading your axle which on a GM 1/2 ton truck will have somewhere around 1,200# of capacity left beyond the empty weight of the truck. The second is it helps maintain control by planting the front wheel of the truck on the ground for positive brake control and steering. Third and lastly it will help spread the load on the hitches mounting bolts to the frame. The GM hitches are notoriously weak prior to 2008 3/4 tons and up.

A bigger hitch is not necessary for your truck. I did put on on my diesel F-350 to take advantage of the heavier truck and the hitch was not rated to its capacity but that is a whole different beast. Just keep using your WD system. Its safer for everyone that way.

Chris

Well worded answer. I kinda hated to ask, but curiosity gets you thinking. The truck is a 2012 and overall does a better job towing than my 2008, in my opinion , thanks to the 6 speed transmission. I have hauled for many years using WD hitches, and will continue to do so.

Someday, a 1 ton with a gooseneck, but until I hit the powerball...... this will have to do. Thank you. ;)
 
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There are a couple of different schools of thought on this question.

If you get a bigger hitch, you may be under the hitch's weight rating without a WD system. However, you must be sure that you are not exceeding the weight rating of any other part of the truck--most significantly, the rear axle. A WD system transfers tongue weight from the rear axle to the front. It may be the case that your rear axle is overloaded without a WD system, but safe with one. Realistically, however, this is a bit far-fetched, as every truck I have had has had a rear axle weight rating that would not be exceeded as long as you stayed underneath your vehicle's GVWR. And, furthermore, few people really bother to determine exactly HOW much weight the WD system is transferring from the rear to the front. (If you cared to, you could do this by weighing the truck's rear axle and front axle with the WD bars in place, and then with them removed, and calculating the difference.) So, realistically speaking, I don't think that the rear axle's weight rating is likely to matter--although you should check just to be sure.

What's that leave? Well, this is a trickier question. I have heard some argue that the vehicle itself is given the maximum tongue weight as a system. So, you think about the tongue weight as being relevant to the hitch itself. You replace the hitch, you get a higher tongue weight? But if you look at your owner's manual, it probably doesn't say, "Your hitch is rated X." It says, "You can tow X." And my factory hitch doesn't even have a weight rating placard or stamp mark on it. I just have to go to my owner's manual. So, some have argued that it doesn't matter if you put a bigger hitch on, because the manufacturer has not certified the vehicle in that configuration, and as far as the DOT is concerned, your vehicle is rated to tow whatever the manufacturer says and that's it. I don't give that argument much credence, because if it was true, then the entire aftermarket hitch industry would be out of business. I assume that the hitch manufacturers have done sufficient testing to ensure that my vehicle can safely use their hitch, so if I get a bigger hitch, I would assume that I'm good to go, as long as I respected all the other stats (GVWR, GCWR, GAWR, and so forth).

But even if I didn't need a WD system to tow my trailer, if I was towing a significant weight behind me--say, more than 2500-3500 lbs--I would opt for the WD system, because it makes the ride so much better. The vehicle and trailer move as a unit, and it doesn't feel like the trailer is pushing the vehicle around or "diving" during stops. It's really nice.

If you get the bigger hitch, try it yourself both ways and see if you notice a difference.
 
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DP, what hitch did you put on your F-350?
 
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DP, what hitch did you put on your F-350?

The factory Ford F-350 2.5" unit. Its rated 12,000# and 1,200# tongue weight without WD and 15,000#, 1,500# tongue weight with WD bars. Its the dually hitch and I have a SRW.

I also put 2.5" Reese Titan on the 04 F-250 I had after I broke the factory hitch on it after only 4 months. Its rated at 16,000#. Its now on my uncles 05 F-350 SRW with the V-10.

Chris
 
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The factory Ford F-350 2.5" unit. Its rated 12,000# and 1,200# tongue weight without WD and 15,000#, 1,500# tongue weight with WD bars. Its the dually hitch and I have a SRW.

Chris

Is that a direct bolt up no modifications required to frame?
 
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Is that a direct bolt up no modifications required to frame?

On the 2003 1/2 to 2007 Superduty it was. I am not sure about later models. I am just familiar with what I owned and currently own. To confirm I just took my tape measure and pulled my SRW F-350 up next to a new dually and compared. It was a direct bolt up and took about 15 minutes to swap.

My gut says the new ones will be the same. The Fords use the same chassis for the F-250 to the F-350 dually. The F-450 and up get the cab and chassis frame which is narrower along with the F-350 cab and chassis model.

Chris
 
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ok, thanks. i have a '12 F-350 SRW SB
 
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I ditched the OEM receiver and upgraded to a new receiver with higher ratings just to avoid the WDH system. My F350 from 2000 had the same silly ratings that required WDH for tongue weights over 500 lbs. I like WDH systems and use one on my RV trailer but I do not want to buy, install, and use one on an equipment trailer with varying loads. I have not regretted it and tow without the WDH, no bad side effects other than my headlights are higher than they used to be.

I bought a curt brand receiver which was a direct bolt in and of excellent quality. Non-WDH ratings are up to 1500 tongue weight and 15000 trailer, way more than I would ever tow. The stronger hitch is a benefit even if you choose to continue with the WDH system. GM's hitches sucked there for awhile.
 

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