Undercoating on a new vehicle

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Hello, Considering buying a new Toyota 4Runner. What is everyone’s opinion on undercoating? Vehicle will driven in some salt during the winters.

I’m interested in some sort of DIY product. Maybe Fluid Film? I would like to spray the new vehicle as well as my older truck, etc.

Any input would be very welcome. Thank you!!
 
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Be sure to check out the warranty issues. Some cases of rust perforation claims are denied because the undercoat traps moisture and salt, keeping the metal from drying. Aftermarket undercoat, even though done at the dealer, is not warranty approved.
 
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Keep in mind, rustproofing, and undercoating, are two completely different things. And, require two completely different applications.

Rustproofing is a viscus, usually wax based product, that stays soft, and is made to seal seams, and coat inner panels.

Undercoating, is usually asphalt based, and is made to as the names says, undercoat the bottom panels that are exposed to the environment.

The short answer is, if you plan to keep your vehicles more than 5 years, and you live where rust is a problem, you should get your vehicle rustproofed, and undercoated. And, for best results, that should be done in the first year.

The problem then is, most applicators, do not do it properly. They often are either poorly trained, or just not interested in anything but profit. The material is expensive, so any they don't give you, is money in their pocket.

I've spent my whole life cutting cars that were "rustproofed" apart to repair them, after they were wrecked. From seeing them do sloppy workmanship, to flat our fraud, I've seen it all.

I would say less than 5% are done "right". And, 75% are done poorly. Their "warranty" is about having you come back every year, and so, the thought is, anything they miss this year, will get sprayed next year. Except, they put even less effort in it the next time. They expect you to either forget to have the annual "touch up" done, or sell the car before it rusts anyway. And, honestly, most cars can easily go 5 years now, with no help.

The other issue is, most vehicles now have foam, or other sound deadening insulation materials that make it impossible to do some areas.

The good news is, you can rustproof the easy areas yourself.

The most critical parts for corrosion, on most vehicles, is the bottom of the panels. i.e.-The bottom areas of the doors, hood, trunk, tailgate. These are pretty easy to do yourself, if you buy an aerosol can of rustproofing, (NOT UNDERCOATING), and a long extension tube to put on the nozzle. You can also use a piece of small diameter tubing to make a longer extension to put over the 6" one that comes with the can.

You can spray it in through the drain holes, and try to coat the inside as best you can. Allow the excess to drain out, (be prepared for it to get messy), and verify the drain holes are still open. Use a tooth pick to clean any out, after it has a few days to set up, if any are starting to close up.

Reapply every two years. Applying when the vehicle is dry, and hasn't been wet for several days, is important. Applying in the fall when it's cooler, will minimize odor, from the material.

Rustproofing in an aerosol can, is usually not available at auto part stores. You have to go to a body shop supply store to get it. And, even then you run the risk of having a counter man who is clueless about the difference between rustproofing, and undercoating.

Rustfree, (TP Tools & Equipment) Aerosol-Undercoating-and-Rustproofing.htmlmakes good quality products for doing this yourself. Including a kit to do the rustproofing and undercoating, with a compressed air suction gun. Be ready to do some disassembly, if you want to be sure you have gotten it all.

Rusfree's cavity wax kit, is enough to do several vehicles inner panels.

Transstar, 3m, and Eastwood all make a good aerosol rustproofing. Eastwood has a 24 inch extension nozzle available. https://www.amazon.com/Transtar-4423-Amber-Rustproofing-oz/dp/B00H2W3YZW, 3M Rust Fighter (24oz), Heavy-Duty Anti-Rust in Amber - Rust Proofing Products - Eastwood

The 3m product, and the Transstar product, are probably available at your local body shop supply store.
 
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Thank you everyone for the info!!
 
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Keep in mind, rustproofing, and undercoating, are two completely different things. And, require two completely different applications.

Rustproofing is a viscus, usually wax based product, that stays soft, and is made to seal seams, and coat inner panels.

Undercoating, is usually asphalt based, and is made to as the names says, undercoat the bottom panels that are exposed to the environment.

The short answer is, if you plan to keep your vehicles more than 5 years, and you live where rust is a problem, you should get your vehicle rustproofed, and undercoated. And, for best results, that should be done in the first year.

The problem then is, most applicators, do not do it properly. They often are either poorly trained, or just not interested in anything but profit. The material is expensive, so any they don't give you, is money in their pocket.

I've spent my whole life cutting cars that were "rustproofed" apart to repair them, after they were wrecked. From seeing them do sloppy workmanship, to flat our fraud, I've seen it all.

I would say less than 5% are done "right". And, 75% are done poorly. Their "warranty" is about having you come back every year, and so, the thought is, anything they miss this year, will get sprayed next year. Except, they put even less effort in it the next time. They expect you to either forget to have the annual "touch up" done, or sell the car before it rusts anyway. And, honestly, most cars can easily go 5 years now, with no help.

The other issue is, most vehicles now have foam, or other sound deadening insulation materials that make it impossible to do some areas.

The good news is, you can rustproof the easy areas yourself.

The most critical parts for corrosion, on most vehicles, is the bottom of the panels. i.e.-The bottom areas of the doors, hood, trunk, tailgate. These are pretty easy to do yourself, if you buy an aerosol can of rustproofing, (NOT UNDERCOATING), and a long extension tube to put on the nozzle. You can also use a piece of small diameter tubing to make a longer extension to put over the 6" one that comes with the can.

You can spray it in through the drain holes, and try to coat the inside as best you can. Allow the excess to drain out, (be prepared for it to get messy), and verify the drain holes are still open. Use a tooth pick to clean any out, after it has a few days to set up, if any are starting to close up.

Reapply every two years. Applying when the vehicle is dry, and hasn't been wet for several days, is important. Applying in the fall when it's cooler, will minimize odor, from the material.

Rustproofing in an aerosol can, is usually not available at auto part stores. You have to go to a body shop supply store to get it. And, even then you run the risk of having a counter man who is clueless about the difference between rustproofing, and undercoating.

Rustfree, (TP Tools & Equipment) Aerosol-Undercoating-and-Rustproofing.htmlmakes good quality products for doing this yourself. Including a kit to do the rustproofing and undercoating, with a compressed air suction gun. Be ready to do some disassembly, if you want to be sure you have gotten it all.

Rusfree's cavity wax kit, is enough to do several vehicles inner panels.

Transstar, 3m, and Eastwood all make a good aerosol rustproofing. Eastwood has a 24 inch extension nozzle available. https://www.amazon.com/Transtar-4423-Amber-Rustproofing-oz/dp/B00H2W3YZW, 3M Rust Fighter (24oz), Heavy-Duty Anti-Rust in Amber - Rust Proofing Products - Eastwood

The 3m product, and the Transstar product, are probably available at your local body shop supply store.

I want to thank you for taking the time to type this. Really awesome info!!!
 
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I want to thank you for taking the time to type this. Really awesome info!!!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm a big fan of Fluid Film when it's hot.

Getting it to spray and spread near freezing and below is difficult.

/edit - But I think Fluid Film rust proofing is more sheep-based
 
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If you can find a shop that applies it; check out waxoly I have it on my truck and am pleased so far.
They should be using two different products, one is used in the doors and channels and a heavier one on exposed surfaces.
I had my RAM done in "15" and it still looks very good on the entire underside of the truck.
It is getting thin in a few spots I think I'll take it in next summer for a touchup and reapplication.
It is also available for DIY

Waxoyl USA | Offering 36o of Protection from Corrosion.
 
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Hello, Considering buying a new Toyota 4Runner. What is everyone’s opinion on undercoating? Vehicle will driven in some salt during the winters.

I’m interested in some sort of DIY product. Maybe Fluid Film? I would like to spray the new vehicle as well as my older truck, etc.

Any input would be very welcome. Thank you!!
I use Krown rust proofing.Good stuff IMHO
 

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