TN vs TL

[jimg]

There is a fair amt of feature/spec overlap between the high end TN series and low end TL series. In most features/specs the TL80 looks like a TN85 and the TL90 looks like a TN95. The only significant diffs I could find were weight, 3pt lift capacityand transmission choices but everything else was identical or pretty close. I've no idea what prices are for the the TL models but I'd guess theyre going to be some %age more than TN models. Is that %age worth so little difference? I must be missing something and would appreciate your input on why you'd pick a TL80 over a TN85 or TL90 over a TN95.

In the attachments forum theres a thread which started out as 'why are the blades on my brush mower banging into each other when I engage the PTO it must be the mowers fault' and has progressed to 'its your tractor not the mower'. If Im follwing that discussion correctly the problem centers around either the idle speed (too high) or the way in which the clutch engages (unmodulated and is too abrupt). Both the TN and TL can be gotten w/ other than mechaincal PTO clutch engagement. The TN is a servo-assist (not sure what that is exactly) and the TL is elctro-hydraulic. Is it correct to assume that in both cases clutch engagement will be smooth in the sense that it simulates mechanical clutch feathering? In other words it doesn't load shock the implement?

 

[Robert_in_NY]

The biggest difference is size. The TL is a tad bigger then a TN and as a result can do more work then the like hp TN. It all comes down to what you want to do. Around here the small vegetable farms run TL's while everyone else uses a TN.

So it depends on what you want to do with your tractor and if you need the extra size and weight of the TL. New Holland has been great in the fact they have a tractor to fit almost every operation you can think of.

 

[jimg]

From the spec sheet the physical dimensions aren't significantly different. So, as I understand it theres no advantage there. The weight is though but to spend x% more just for weight alone seems unwise as weights can be added. Well, maybe its cheaper to buy a heavier tractor than add weight...I dont know.

 

[RickB]

The TL is a flat deck tractor. The seat is higher, cab or platform is unobstructed and larger. Visibility is much better, cab is roomier. TL deluxe has better hydraulic capabilities than any TN. 4 cylinder naturally aspirated engine may have more low end grunt than a turboed three. I expect the TL to have a stronger 3pt spec. 52LC loader that the TL can accomodate has more lift than the 32LC which fits both. If I were buying a 70-80 engine HP tractor and was going to spend LONG days in it, the TL would be an easy choice. Power Shuttle option is a must have on either series IMHO, TL also has a HI-LO on Deluxe models.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

There is a lot of difference in size between the two. The specs don't make it sound like much but here is a pic to help you compare.

The TL-100A is on the left, TN65 is center and Ford 1920 is to the right. There is a lot more to the TL then specs say and you notice the difference on a NH 575 baler. Rick explained most of the noticable differences and unless you have a chance to run both a TL and a TN it is hard to understand the differences.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Here is more of a head on shot

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Last one is hooked to my baler. You can see that the cab is kind of on the short side. It isn't a problem as there is more then enough head room but for some reason it bothered me.

 

[kensfarm]

Hey.. one square bale done.. 249 to go to fill that wagon! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

TL looks nice.. what model NH bailer are you running?

 

[jimg]

Cool! Thanx a million guys for the pics and responses!!!!! This is exactly what I needed to understand/know. It's really difficult to get the whole picture from a marketing blurb.

BTW Robert how many acres of hay do cut at once? I see you have a large acreage but how much of that is hay fields and how many cuttings do you make/season? Is the TL in the pics yours or are you giving it a test drive? Your bio only lists a TN65.

Thanx again for your help!!!

 

[jimg]

Oh, one more question from my original posting about the PTO clutch. What's a 'servo-assist (a TN feature)'? How smoothly do the nonmechanical clutches (servo-assist and electro-hyd) on these tractors engage? I have no experience with such things having only used mechanical clutches that the operator can feather as needed.

OK, so I have two questions instead...where are the TNs/TLs built? IIRC the TNs are England or Italy?