....... THE MORE I WONDER. HERE'S THE SITUATION PEOPLE. NEED A LOADER/BACKHOE. LIKE TO STAY ON THE NARROW SIDE, 48" BUCKET, 12-13IN HOE, HSTD, 4WD. WILL BE USED FOR: DIGGING UP AN OIL TANK, STUMP REMOVAL, GRADING/LEVELING, RIPPING UP ASHPALT, DISTIBUTING STONE. WILL BE USED IN CONJUCTION WITH A F-350 DUMP 70" HIGH. I'M NOT INTO THIS TYPE OF EQUIP. JUST GOT TIRED OF DEALING WITH RETAL PEOPLE AND PREMADONNAS. I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT NH18/21, JD 4200, KB 7500. HAS ANY HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THESE TO HELP LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD? TANX! RICH
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GlueGuy
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Rich,
If you want my opinion /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif, I would point you toward a B7500. Of course, that's what I have /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif.
If you could provide more detail on the kind of work you're doing, that would help a lot. Also, is there a particular reason you need to stay inside 48"?
One more thing: Turn off caps lock. It looks like you're SHOUTING! (and it's harder to read) /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
The GlueGuy
If you want my opinion /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif, I would point you toward a B7500. Of course, that's what I have /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif.
If you could provide more detail on the kind of work you're doing, that would help a lot. Also, is there a particular reason you need to stay inside 48"?
One more thing: Turn off caps lock. It looks like you're SHOUTING! (and it's harder to read) /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
The GlueGuy
richfromPA
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hey rich,
being new to the world of compact tractors but old to tractors in general and getting a new bx2000 kubota next week, i know for the price of new holland and JD you can get more tractor for the money out of kubota and ALL the quality. ive been tinkering with the purchase for a few years and feel that kubota is the way to go. look at the prices of the b2410 that will give you more 3pt hitch control ,little more loader capacity plus more. sure sounds like you earn a living with yer potential purchase and to be honest i almost was sold on the b7500 until i decided to give the bx2000 a fair chance. and man am i glad. basically the b7500 just has bigger tires and a little more hydralic capacity. and it was 2000.00 more than the bx. if i was gonna do work like yer doin, i would make the next step and go with the b2410 especially with hoe work. the tc18 was the same price as the b7500 and if yer lookin at the tc21 yer up to the money of the b2410. i dont know how much money you wanna spend but for your work i wouldnt take the cheapest route. get the most out of your money and buy KUBOTA. a kubota whatever. just my opinion. good luck
rich
being new to the world of compact tractors but old to tractors in general and getting a new bx2000 kubota next week, i know for the price of new holland and JD you can get more tractor for the money out of kubota and ALL the quality. ive been tinkering with the purchase for a few years and feel that kubota is the way to go. look at the prices of the b2410 that will give you more 3pt hitch control ,little more loader capacity plus more. sure sounds like you earn a living with yer potential purchase and to be honest i almost was sold on the b7500 until i decided to give the bx2000 a fair chance. and man am i glad. basically the b7500 just has bigger tires and a little more hydralic capacity. and it was 2000.00 more than the bx. if i was gonna do work like yer doin, i would make the next step and go with the b2410 especially with hoe work. the tc18 was the same price as the b7500 and if yer lookin at the tc21 yer up to the money of the b2410. i dont know how much money you wanna spend but for your work i wouldnt take the cheapest route. get the most out of your money and buy KUBOTA. a kubota whatever. just my opinion. good luck
rich
I'm kinda in the same boat & someone here suggested I look into the B21. It's a heckuva machine & if you're going to do a lot of digging, it's probably the most capable of the bunch. Loses a bit of drawbar/PTO HP due to the huge hydraulic pump but includes a hard-topped cab in case you drop anything out of the loader. The price is a bit high, but I'm seriously considering it due to the resale value & potential rentals I might get from a friend whose 590 Super L is the smallest TLB in his fleet. If it were a B27 or B29 I'd already have written the check.
FWIW the 2710 is the same size and with the LA402 has just a tad less lifting grunt but more drawbar/PTO power. If you really need the hoe, and especially if you really plan to install/remove the hoe a lot, the B21 might be worth it.
FWIW the 2710 is the same size and with the LA402 has just a tad less lifting grunt but more drawbar/PTO power. If you really need the hoe, and especially if you really plan to install/remove the hoe a lot, the B21 might be worth it.
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Rich, Campster is right on! With what you said you want a tractor to do, Kubota made the B21 for you. Keep in mind that backhoe work is hard on a compact tractor and the B21 has a sub frame made to take the stress of loader and backhoe work. The sloped hood and self leveling loader bucket are great for moving dirt. The backhoe can be removed in about 5 min. and sets nice and close to the tractor. On the down side, the loader will not remove, no mid PTO and a bit less PTO power.
Also keep in mind that you have some tough jobs scheduled for a tractor. Large stumps can be hard for a big backhoe, how large of tank are you looking at, ect. I have done a lot of work with my B21 that should have been left to a full size backhoe. It will do it, but it will take some time.
MarkV
Also keep in mind that you have some tough jobs scheduled for a tractor. Large stumps can be hard for a big backhoe, how large of tank are you looking at, ect. I have done a lot of work with my B21 that should have been left to a full size backhoe. It will do it, but it will take some time.
MarkV
Thanks guys, Isn't the B21 out of production? I don't have the specs in front of me but I believe the b21 is wider than I was hoping for. As far as the stumps and the tank, I have the option of using a friends truck with a boom to haul it up, it's a 500 gal tank. The stumps are about 6-8 in, in fairly soft soil. Thanks again.
B20 is out of production--B21 has only been in production for ~3 years according to the product manager I spoke with at Kubota.
As far as size, the B21 is a near match for the B2710 in length, width, tires, etc. MUCH heavier frame to support the loader and backhoe fully. 56" bucket width, but better articulation and more juice than the ag loaders.
I'm now leaning towards buying the B2710 or B2910, then renting a small tracked excavator for the few days a year of backhoe work I will do. Can't quite justify the extra $$ and I need the extra PTO horsepower sometimes. The real decision point appears to be backhoe use--the B21 backhoe is tougher and easier on/off than the afterthought ones for the ag tractors are. The heavier frame and bigger hydraulics allow them to put a lot more force into the bucket without breaking anything.
As far as size, the B21 is a near match for the B2710 in length, width, tires, etc. MUCH heavier frame to support the loader and backhoe fully. 56" bucket width, but better articulation and more juice than the ag loaders.
I'm now leaning towards buying the B2710 or B2910, then renting a small tracked excavator for the few days a year of backhoe work I will do. Can't quite justify the extra $$ and I need the extra PTO horsepower sometimes. The real decision point appears to be backhoe use--the B21 backhoe is tougher and easier on/off than the afterthought ones for the ag tractors are. The heavier frame and bigger hydraulics allow them to put a lot more force into the bucket without breaking anything.
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RICH: i was looking at the nh and the jd and the kb7500 when i saw the 2410 i knew it was for me. i purchased a used b2400
with only 68 hrs. on it. not sorry. for what u say u want to do i think u definitly need to go to at least 2410. this is just my opinion and good luck in your search.
with only 68 hrs. on it. not sorry. for what u say u want to do i think u definitly need to go to at least 2410. this is just my opinion and good luck in your search.
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The B21 with the TL421 FEL Max Lift height is 88.8" (ground to bottom of the bucket). The reach at max. height is 20.5". The tractor width is 53.7".(outside width of rear tires) The max digging depth of the BT751 hoe @ 2ft flat bottom is 90.5"
The B21 TLB will set you back 25K.
It's a "tuff" little tractor.
Al
The B21 with the TL421 FEL Max Lift height is 88.8" (ground to bottom of the bucket). The reach at max. height is 20.5". The tractor width is 53.7".(outside width of rear tires) The max digging depth of the BT751 hoe @ 2ft flat bottom is 90.5"
The B21 TLB will set you back 25K.
It's a "tuff" little tractor.
Al
The Kubota product manager I spoke with told me that the numeric portion of the model number on Kubota loaders represents the capacity in kilograms. Makes it real easy to compare them when you're looking:
¤ BX18/2200 -> LA211 = 464#
¤ B7400 -> LA272 = 598#
¤ B7500 -> LA302 = 664#
¤ B2410 -> LA352 = 774#
¤ B27/2910 -> LA402 = 884#
¤ B21 -> LA421 = 926#
The values calculated above all fall within 4 pounds of the bucket center capacities in the Kubota brochures I have. Note that if you add a 4-in-1 to any of these, you will lose 150-200# of lift due to the added bucket weight.
BTW, if that oil tank you're planning on digging up is still in good shape, you could always keep it as a Diesel storage vault /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif
¤ BX18/2200 -> LA211 = 464#
¤ B7400 -> LA272 = 598#
¤ B7500 -> LA302 = 664#
¤ B2410 -> LA352 = 774#
¤ B27/2910 -> LA402 = 884#
¤ B21 -> LA421 = 926#
The values calculated above all fall within 4 pounds of the bucket center capacities in the Kubota brochures I have. Note that if you add a 4-in-1 to any of these, you will lose 150-200# of lift due to the added bucket weight.
BTW, if that oil tank you're planning on digging up is still in good shape, you could always keep it as a Diesel storage vault /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif
After extended discussions with several aftermarket loader manufacturers, it appears that the rating for the B21 is an ASAE rating (500mm forward of bucket center.) I've made a new list of ASAE bucket capacities below. Now the extra $$$ for the B21 is starting to make sense from a loader perspective as well as the backhoe:
¤ BX18/2200 -> LA211 = ???
¤ B7400 -> LA272 = 495#
¤ B7500 -> LA302 = 555#
¤ B2410 -> LA352 = 670#
¤ B27/2910 -> LA402 = 760#
¤ B21 -> LA421 = 926#
Just to make it _really_ difficult to compare products, Bush Hog rates their loaders at 1850 psi, Woods at 1660 psi, and Kubota at 2000 psi (2200 for the LA302.)
BTW, that new Bush Hog M146 will have an ASAE capacity of 570# at full height (84") and 710# up to 59".
¤ BX18/2200 -> LA211 = ???
¤ B7400 -> LA272 = 495#
¤ B7500 -> LA302 = 555#
¤ B2410 -> LA352 = 670#
¤ B27/2910 -> LA402 = 760#
¤ B21 -> LA421 = 926#
Just to make it _really_ difficult to compare products, Bush Hog rates their loaders at 1850 psi, Woods at 1660 psi, and Kubota at 2000 psi (2200 for the LA302.)
BTW, that new Bush Hog M146 will have an ASAE capacity of 570# at full height (84") and 710# up to 59".
Oh boy, mind boggling, ha, ha. Question for ya? I would think there is an advantage in going with the equipment that a manufacture supplies with the unit? yes? no? Being new to this type of equip., I thought it would be the safe way to go. I must say I am leaning towards a b7500 at this time, mostly because of the size. Smaller bites and a few more trips won't make much difference. But by all means , don't stoop the info from coming.
Rich
Rich
Campster,
I have a question for you, because from reading your post I got confused! You wrote that the ASAE rating is used and that it is 500 mm forward of the bucket center, then you downgraded the lift capacities. Wouldn't rating the loader forward of the bucket center increase the rating at the center? It seems, to my totally unknowledgeable perspective, that the weight is farther out on the lever arm the loader has to lift and it would require more force. So, moving the load back to the pivot point would allow you to lift more. Or am I missing the point?
And I thought physics class was dismissed 20 years ago! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
John Bud
I have a question for you, because from reading your post I got confused! You wrote that the ASAE rating is used and that it is 500 mm forward of the bucket center, then you downgraded the lift capacities. Wouldn't rating the loader forward of the bucket center increase the rating at the center? It seems, to my totally unknowledgeable perspective, that the weight is farther out on the lever arm the loader has to lift and it would require more force. So, moving the load back to the pivot point would allow you to lift more. Or am I missing the point?
And I thought physics class was dismissed 20 years ago! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
John Bud
<font color=green>I would think there is an advantage in going with the equipment that a manufacture supplies with the unit?</font color=green>
In many cases, yes. But specific aftermarket loaders paired with specific tractors can offer advantages. An example would be the Woods 1012/1016/1020 paired with an L-Series Kubota. You get a 4-bar linkage and Quick-Attach fittings which Kubota doesn't offer on the LA481/681. For some customers, these are important.
<font color=green>You wrote that the ASAE rating is used and that it is 500 mm forward of the bucket center, then you downgraded the lift capacities. Wouldn't rating the loader forward of the bucket center increase the rating at the center? It seems, to my totally unknowledgeable perspective, that the weight is farther out on the lever arm the loader has to lift and it would require more force. So, moving the load back to the pivot point would allow you to lift more.</font color=green>
Just a little confusion. Kubota's ratings embedded in the loader model# are based on bucket center capacities and that was what I quoted in the first post for all (except the B21/LA421 as I later found out.) Since I had no bucket center figure for this tractor but there were ASAE ratings for almost all the others, I posted ratings that would allow for a fair comparison amongst all the machines. Besides, as the other manufacturers reminded me, this 500mm forward measurement is a standard which all manufacturers provide and there is a well defined way of measuring it--except of course that they all specify different hydraulic pressures so unless you really do your homework, you can easily be misled. The B-series brochure has several different loader capacities (pivot, bucket center, 500mm forward) but doesn't mention ASAE anywhere. The B21 brochure offers an ASAE capacity only (and doesn't mention 500mm which I later found out was the standard.) Note that the BX/LA201 does not list an ASAE capacity in its brochure.
In many cases, yes. But specific aftermarket loaders paired with specific tractors can offer advantages. An example would be the Woods 1012/1016/1020 paired with an L-Series Kubota. You get a 4-bar linkage and Quick-Attach fittings which Kubota doesn't offer on the LA481/681. For some customers, these are important.
<font color=green>You wrote that the ASAE rating is used and that it is 500 mm forward of the bucket center, then you downgraded the lift capacities. Wouldn't rating the loader forward of the bucket center increase the rating at the center? It seems, to my totally unknowledgeable perspective, that the weight is farther out on the lever arm the loader has to lift and it would require more force. So, moving the load back to the pivot point would allow you to lift more.</font color=green>
Just a little confusion. Kubota's ratings embedded in the loader model# are based on bucket center capacities and that was what I quoted in the first post for all (except the B21/LA421 as I later found out.) Since I had no bucket center figure for this tractor but there were ASAE ratings for almost all the others, I posted ratings that would allow for a fair comparison amongst all the machines. Besides, as the other manufacturers reminded me, this 500mm forward measurement is a standard which all manufacturers provide and there is a well defined way of measuring it--except of course that they all specify different hydraulic pressures so unless you really do your homework, you can easily be misled. The B-series brochure has several different loader capacities (pivot, bucket center, 500mm forward) but doesn't mention ASAE anywhere. The B21 brochure offers an ASAE capacity only (and doesn't mention 500mm which I later found out was the standard.) Note that the BX/LA201 does not list an ASAE capacity in its brochure.
