Tc30 or Jd790

[fctadam]

Well I seemed to have narrowed the search down to, two tractors. The TC30 or the JD790. Can I post in two areas?

I got a price for the NH for 19,500 with FEL, and backhoe. The JD was 21,000 with the same and choice of tires. Any thoughts on these prices?

The Deere looked a little more heavy-duty and the dealer is right down the road from my home. The FEL steel and bracing is a little more heavy duty. The JD dealer told me the hydraulics are much faster on his machine, than the NH because of pump capacity. I’m not sure what numbers to look at on the specs sheets. However, the TC30 has a much higher 3 -pt lift capacity, almost twice that of the Deere. I'm also unable to find any information of the FEL lifting, and weight capacities. I definitely want the one that can lift the most weight.

Also was wondering about comparing the backhoe digging force and depth between the two. Anyone with any experience with either or both machines that could lend some information would be great. The TC30 at glance seems to be the better deal, with a cheaper price, and more lifting in the 3pt hitch. Am I missing something?

 

[Inspector507]

Here's what I have on hand on the 2 machines........

NH
7308 Loader
875-1020 lbs lift cap.
100-102" lift height
756C BH
72" digging Depth
757C BH
90" digging depth

JD
70 loader
750 lbs lift cap.
no height limit in my notes
419 loader
(edit) 87.8" lift
(edit) 610 lbs lift cap.
7 BH
90" digging depth

 

[fctadam]

Any thoughts on the Digging force numbers between the two?

 

[Inspector507]

nope.......sorry, no idea on their comparison

 

[frank_f15]

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would agree with u, especially after reading inspector507 post. but which one do u actually feel the most comfortable on?

 

[JDgreen227]

My info for the TC-30 shows a main pump capacity of 6.1 gpm for the hydraulics and 3.5 gpm for the steering. My info for the 790 shows a main pump capacity of 5.6 gpm and 4.3 for the steering.

However, the information for the JD is from my Government Bid Spec Book and the figures are for the 790 with the 91.3 CID engine. To my knowledge that engine is now downsized but I don't have the figures for that smaller engine. The NH has a 91.3 CID engine so it beats the 790 at both HP and main pump hydraulic output. Sorry, I can't tell you anything about the backhoes on either.

 

[fctadam]

Thanks a lot for all the information guys....

The dealers are equally good, and service and reputation. They both feel fine no better than the other.

 

[Soundguy]

I find it hilarious that the green dealer made the statement that his hyds were faster.. I guess we see why.. must be smnaller rams.. thus half lift capacity.. and he thought this was better?

I can always tell when a discussion at a dealer is going south when he starts by immediatly cutitng down the competition..

Soundguy

 

[Joe1]

I have a JD 770 with a 70 Loader. They are basically the same tractor. When the 790 came out it was rated at 30 Gross HP vs the 770's 25 HP.

The loader manual specifies a lift height of 77 inches. I know that's enough to load a 2/3 yard dump truck on a Ford F450 chassis.

I've loaded my 54" bucket (7 cu ft) with sand and it handled it without a problem.

Which tractor feels better and drives better in your opinion. The 790 has been around a long time which speakes for its reliability. The ergonomics (just how comfortable you are on it) may be more important than differences in loader capacity depending on what you intend to do with it.

I just had a house built, and my contractor had a 1994 JD 770 with FEL and backhoe. He's used it since new on construction projects and it's held up fine. He bought the back how used, rebuilt it, used it so much he had to rebuild it again and is still using it.

Have you driven them and used the implements yet?

 

[rockyridgefarm]

Out of the box, the Deere is stronger in the Front, the NH in the rear. Read up on both these on TBN and you will see owners tweaking the hydraulics. On the blue to improve loader capacity, and on the green to improve the lift.

The TC30's are probably stepped down because of the Boomer models that were at the same time, Seems their front axles weren't up for what the loader could do.

No one I know of can say why the Deere's 3PH is set so low. The specs I can find do show higher capacity on the pumps for it.

Of course, the Deere has been lowered in Hp, so that is a real plus in the TC30.

Another idea is to check on gear models in the boomer and 4000TENs Sometimes a dealer has one on his lot that he needs to move, and can discount to the point where they are really competitive with the bargain tractors...

 

[JDgreen227]

Soundguy,

You say it well, I too would never buy from someone who had the audacity to badmouth the competition...COMPARING is okay but stretching the facts to make your own product look better is NOT.

 

[Soundguy]

When I was out to by a dedicated mowing tractor, I looked at kubota, MasseyF, JD, and NH. JD and Kubota looked fine.. but were just astronomical in price.. Masseyf was lowest, and NH a bit above it. As soon as I hit the Mf site, I mentioned what size machines I had looked at, and that it was down to the model 'xx' blue one, and his 'xx' red one. He immediatly trashed the blue one. i thank him, and left.. Went back to the NH site. Ended up not getting the tc18 i was looking at, but instead a 1920 that had just been dealer re-built.. I love it.. nice tractor..

Soundguy

 

[raynman]

fctadam,

Welcome to TBN /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

You ask some very good questions, my 2 cents is that they are both comparable machines, and as Frank stated, which one do you feel most comfortable in. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Good luck with you choice and keep us informed.

 

[zuiko]

I would get a price on the JD990 as well. It's not that much more money but it seems to me a better fit for BH duty. Between those two it seems like the TC30 is the better deal, but I don't know how the hoes compare and thats a major portion of the price.

 

[Buck]

For me breakout force is important for the loader. I really don't think anyone should lift 750 lb's and drive around with the loader too high on any CUT. So the fact that JD lowered the spec here may be a safety feature rather than a negative.

I wanted to get a TC30 before I bought my 790; Couldn't get one cheaper here than the JD 790 in upstate NY.

Heck if it saves that much money, get it, so long as you feel good about the dealer and the company!

Please keep us informed!

Buck

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( the fact that JD lowered the spec here may be a safety feature rather than a negative. )</font>

If I were the manufacturer that had the lower spec'd unit.. that sure would be the angle I would try to put across on it...

' Yes sir.. our cars only go 18 mph.. therefore you can't be in a high speed crash with them! ' /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Soundguy

 

[PerryWhite]

fctadam,

As I have stated in other posts, I've kinda got a case
of green fever. However, in April 2003, I traded my
JD 790 for a JD4310 because the 790 just didn't have
enough force in the 3 point hitch. Other TBN'ers have
stated that you can shim the control valve to get more
force but I am sure that would void any warranty.
When I bought the 790 in April 1999, I wasn't planning
on moving logs around to my Woodmizer sawmill
that I bought in March 2002. One year of trying to
move logs with a 790 and I decided it was time to trade up.
My original purpose for the 790 was driveway maintenance
and the 59 inch FM snowblower. The 4310 allowed me
to retain my snowblower investment. Having a Deere dealer
real close is a nice benefit although. The suggestion
of looking at the 990 is a real good one. A lot more
tractor, 2.0 liter 4 cylinder instead of 1.5 liter 3 cylinder,
for just a little more money.