Tainted dog food
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Freds
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I still haven't figured out why the main ingredient for many dog foods is corn anyways )</font>
1) Because it IS a protein source and can count in the food's protein level on the label, but like you said, it's an undigestible one as are most vegetables in the short digetive tract of a dog
2) They need to add some kind of grain so the kibble is "workable" and can run through the machines (quality foods will add whole rice)
3) It's cheap
Oh, was your question rhetorical? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hopefully this incident will bring on tighter restrictions (or any for that matter) for the ingredients dog food companies can use. I hope Diamond gets the pants sued off them, but it could have happened to any one of them.
On another note, I saw a commercial last night for Purina Dog Chow that I swear said, Can add two years to your dog's life. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Over what, not feeding your dog at all? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
1) Because it IS a protein source and can count in the food's protein level on the label, but like you said, it's an undigestible one as are most vegetables in the short digetive tract of a dog
2) They need to add some kind of grain so the kibble is "workable" and can run through the machines (quality foods will add whole rice)
3) It's cheap
Oh, was your question rhetorical? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hopefully this incident will bring on tighter restrictions (or any for that matter) for the ingredients dog food companies can use. I hope Diamond gets the pants sued off them, but it could have happened to any one of them.
On another note, I saw a commercial last night for Purina Dog Chow that I swear said, Can add two years to your dog's life. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Over what, not feeding your dog at all? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Oh, was your question rhetorical? )</font>
Not really. I tend to read labels, whether for myself or my dog. I also prefer locally grown meat even though it costs more, but I believe it's better quality. So I pay a lot more for dog food without fillers... which translates into smaller, tighter piles for me to clean off the lawn.
On the other hand my dog is my only "child", and one of the few luxuries I allow myself.
Not really. I tend to read labels, whether for myself or my dog. I also prefer locally grown meat even though it costs more, but I believe it's better quality. So I pay a lot more for dog food without fillers... which translates into smaller, tighter piles for me to clean off the lawn.
On the other hand my dog is my only "child", and one of the few luxuries I allow myself.
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We have raised and shown Boxers for about 30 years. Retired from that now but have found over the years that feeding the high qualitiy dog food paid of in the long run. The dogs are in better health, coats are better, vet bills lower. For those of you with hunting breeds the dogs have better stamina. Clean up after the dogs is easier too. I know as I have scooped many a poop.
The foods I am talking about will cost you about $1.00 a pound unless you buy several sacks at a time.
Vernon
The foods I am talking about will cost you about $1.00 a pound unless you buy several sacks at a time.
Vernon
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I certainly agree with what you've said, Vernon. I've seen many dogs getting along just fine on low end dog food, but you can't beat the benefits of a quality kibble. Switching to a quality food may add two years to your dog's life... I just can't see how feeding Purina Dog Chow would /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I'm also wondering how many other corn based dog food companies, the mill with the bad corn supplied, besides Diamond...
I'm also wondering how many other corn based dog food companies, the mill with the bad corn supplied, besides Diamond...
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Purina is probably the best researched dog food in the US. Their top lines are O.N.E. and Pro Plan. They are very good and we are feeding O.N.E. right now but when they finish building the PetsMart locally, we will go back to feeding IAM's Eukanuba (I can not get it this side of Houston). I strongly dislike IAMs marketing people but can not fault their dog food. Of all we have fed of currently available brands we think that it is the best.
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I forgot one thing, processed and cooked the dogs can and do get nutrition from the corn. Raw they can not digest it true. Almost all dog food except for the "natural" foods contain some grain. The "natural" or raw meat foods generally lack some essential nutriant and they can not be consistant. They are selling based on a phoney premise.
Vernon
I forgot one thing, processed and cooked the dogs can and do get nutrition from the corn. Raw they can not digest it true. Almost all dog food except for the "natural" foods contain some grain. The "natural" or raw meat foods generally lack some essential nutriant and they can not be consistant. They are selling based on a phoney premise.
Vernon
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You had better tell that to my Pomeranian, as whenever she can she will steal a cob of corn and devour it before you can take it away. She will also steal peas from the plants.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( processed and cooked the dogs can and do get nutrition from the corn )</font>
Do you have a source for this info? I have always heard and read just the opposite. Thanks.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The "natural" or raw meat foods generally lack some essential nutriant and they can not be consistant. )</font>
Do you mean a raw (BARF) diet or a natural/holisitc food (Canidae, Solid Gold, Innova...)? Either way I do not follow what nutrient they, either one, would be lacking or how they are inconsistent /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I like when the dog food topic gets going (within reason). It usually has some interesting dialogue, like saying dogs get something out of corn if it is processed and cooked at high temps. It's truly too bad about the Diamond situation, though. That must be one tough fungus.
Do you have a source for this info? I have always heard and read just the opposite. Thanks.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The "natural" or raw meat foods generally lack some essential nutriant and they can not be consistant. )</font>
Do you mean a raw (BARF) diet or a natural/holisitc food (Canidae, Solid Gold, Innova...)? Either way I do not follow what nutrient they, either one, would be lacking or how they are inconsistent /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I like when the dog food topic gets going (within reason). It usually has some interesting dialogue, like saying dogs get something out of corn if it is processed and cooked at high temps. It's truly too bad about the Diamond situation, though. That must be one tough fungus.
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<font color="blue">Purina is probably the best researched dog food in the US. Their top lines are O.N.E. and Pro Plan. They are very good and we are feeding O.N.E. right now but when they finish building the PetsMart locally, we will go back to feeding IAM's Eukanuba (I can not get it this side of Houston). I strongly dislike IAMs marketing people but can not fault their dog food. Of all we have fed of currently available brands we think that it is the best.
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Vernon and All,
I would urge you to research Iams and Eukanuba more closely. Both of these products include corn and by-products in them. By-products translates to feet, feces, and intestines. Iams is high prices to have this "crap" in it, but Eukanuba is even higher priced. Corn can cause all kinds of problems in animals: allergies, etc.
We had a Great Pyreness that was diagnosed with bone cancer at the ripe old age of 4. After the vet advised us that this disease was prevalent in the larger breeds, I started to wonder what the common demoninator was between the larger breeds that would cause cancer to be prevalent between the different breeds. After doing some reading on the foods that are even recommended by the vets and joining some nutrition groups on the internet, it really angered me what I learned is truly going on. It just amazes me that we put our faith and trust in these manufactoring companies and provide us with a poor quality food. For the most part, the ones that "look pretty" are only meant to appeal to us - not the animal. 99% of the foods you find on your local grocery store shelves contain corn or some form of corn as the primary ingredient.
What I learned is that "chicken meal" is one of the best things that you can feed your babies. When the ingredients read "chicken meal," it is the chicken weighed with the water weight removed, thus providing more actual "meat."
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul has incredible ingredients. If I recall correctly, the first 4 ingredients are chicken meal, turkey meal, chicken and turkey. There is no corn or by-products in this reasonably priced food.
Other brands such as Canidae, Innova, Wellness, Natural Balance, Artemis, Solid Gold and Drs. Foster and Smith have much better quality foods than Iams, Science Diet, and Eukanuba.
If you are interested in being able to see several products and compare ingredients, petfooddirect.com allows you to do this.
If anyone is interested in some links to the research I am referring to, please feel free to contact me. I will gladly provide you with them.
RedDog's Better Half
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Vernon and All,
I would urge you to research Iams and Eukanuba more closely. Both of these products include corn and by-products in them. By-products translates to feet, feces, and intestines. Iams is high prices to have this "crap" in it, but Eukanuba is even higher priced. Corn can cause all kinds of problems in animals: allergies, etc.
We had a Great Pyreness that was diagnosed with bone cancer at the ripe old age of 4. After the vet advised us that this disease was prevalent in the larger breeds, I started to wonder what the common demoninator was between the larger breeds that would cause cancer to be prevalent between the different breeds. After doing some reading on the foods that are even recommended by the vets and joining some nutrition groups on the internet, it really angered me what I learned is truly going on. It just amazes me that we put our faith and trust in these manufactoring companies and provide us with a poor quality food. For the most part, the ones that "look pretty" are only meant to appeal to us - not the animal. 99% of the foods you find on your local grocery store shelves contain corn or some form of corn as the primary ingredient.
What I learned is that "chicken meal" is one of the best things that you can feed your babies. When the ingredients read "chicken meal," it is the chicken weighed with the water weight removed, thus providing more actual "meat."
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul has incredible ingredients. If I recall correctly, the first 4 ingredients are chicken meal, turkey meal, chicken and turkey. There is no corn or by-products in this reasonably priced food.
Other brands such as Canidae, Innova, Wellness, Natural Balance, Artemis, Solid Gold and Drs. Foster and Smith have much better quality foods than Iams, Science Diet, and Eukanuba.
If you are interested in being able to see several products and compare ingredients, petfooddirect.com allows you to do this.
If anyone is interested in some links to the research I am referring to, please feel free to contact me. I will gladly provide you with them.
RedDog's Better Half
