Step up from a 30-35 HP machine?

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shu

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Case IH 45A
A few months ago we sold the Kubota L3400 and bought a Case IH 45A. Folks considering moving up from a 30-35 horsepower machine may be interested in these thoughts.

The L-3400 - and the New Holland TC-410 we had previously - were FWD hydrostatic. The 45HP Case IH 45A is FWD manual transmission (4-speed / hi-lo range / forward-reverse).

We expected to be doing relatively more mowing (shredding), less landscape and construction type work, and less traveling. The mowing does go easier. In all other respects however the smaller tractors are more satisfactory.

We got a 72 inch Bush Hog Squeeler to replace our well-worn 60 inch shredder. The heavier Case tractor is well matched weight-wise to the new shredder. It travels a bit faster both while mowing and when on the road. We are happy with that.

The extra 10-15 horsepower, compared to the 30-35 HP range tractors we had, seems mostly consumed in handling the much greater weight of the new tractor. The Case does not pull a larger load of dirt in the box blade, nor dig easier into a pile with the FEL. The tractor weight is greater but the tires are correspondingly larger, so (short of filling the tires with water) the machines lose traction about the same.

In landscape and construction work the mechanical transmission is less convenient than hydrostatic, but maneageble. The wider turn radius of the larger machine however causes as much or more of a time penalty.

The 30-35 HP tractor + FEL + mower + box blade is close to but less than the weight limit of our 16 ft trailer. We have pulled the set hundreds of miles with a 6 cylinder pickup. The new tractor + FEL is at or above the trailer's limit. We do not expect to travel with it.

We are happy with the trade. Slugging along with the 60 inch shredder had come to be wearisome - not to mention replacing shear bolts while locating stumps and tires in a new field. But for general landscape and construction work, especially in tight quarters around a building, a FWD hydrostatic machine of 30-35 HP is the ideal.
 
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Sure enough, the trade-offs become evident with use. My old B8200 was great for maneuvering around the property to move compost or position to drill fence post holes. Our new L3130 seems much bigger and much more difficult to maneuver. But, when its time to plow snow, I expect the L3130 to be hands down better. Weight can be your friend. I went from a gear drive to a hydro, and that feels like a good decision.
 
   / Step up from a 30-35 HP machine? #3  
A few months ago we sold the Kubota L3400 and bought a Case IH 45A. Folks considering moving up from a 30-35 horsepower machine may be interested in these thoughts.

The L-3400 - and the New Holland TC-410 we had previously - were FWD hydrostatic. The 45HP Case IH 45A is FWD manual transmission (4-speed / hi-lo range / forward-reverse).
Interesting, From Tractordata.com -
35hp to 45hp about 30% increase in engine HP
PTO 28.5hp to 39hp about 36% increase
3pt @24" 1433lbs to 1830lb about 27% increase
base Weight 2500lbs to about 3700lbs about 50%

We expected to be doing relatively more mowing (shredding), less landscape and construction type work, and less traveling. The mowing does go easier. In all other respects however the smaller tractors are more satisfactory.

We got a 72 inch Bush Hog Squeeler to replace our well-worn 60 inch shredder. The heavier Case tractor is well matched weight-wise to the new shredder. It travels a bit faster both while mowing and when on the road. We are happy with that.
Only a 6'? Why not a dual spindle 8'?
The extra 10-15 horsepower, compared to the 30-35 HP range tractors we had, seems mostly consumed in handling the much greater weight of the new tractor. The Case does not pull a larger load of dirt in the box blade, nor dig easier into a pile with the FEL. The tractor weight is greater but the tires are correspondingly larger, so (short of filling the tires with water) the machines lose traction about the same.
So fill the tires!
In landscape and construction work the mechanical transmission is less convenient than hydrostatic, but maneageble. The wider turn radius of the larger machine however causes as much or more of a time penalty.
But your doing less of that right?
The 30-35 HP tractor + FEL + mower + box blade is close to but less than the weight limit of our 16 ft trailer. We have pulled the set hundreds of miles with a 6 cylinder pickup. The new tractor + FEL is at or above the trailer's limit. We do not expect to travel with it.
You need a bigger trailer!
We are happy with the trade. Slugging along with the 60 inch shredder had come to be wearisome - not to mention replacing shear bolts while locating stumps and tires in a new field. But for general landscape and construction work, especially in tight quarters around a building, a FWD hydrostatic machine of 30-35 HP is the ideal.
My little B7610 is nimble w/ a 5ft tiller, and I expect it will barely handle a 5' cutter, but my M4700 will pick up the B7610.

Reads like you need filled rears, a bigger shredder and trailer. And a second smaller tractor :)
 
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The extra 10-15 horsepower, compared to the 30-35 HP range tractors we had, seems mostly consumed in handling the much greater weight of the new tractor. The Case does not pull a larger load of dirt in the box blade, nor dig easier into a pile with the FEL. The tractor weight is greater but the tires are correspondingly larger, so (short of filling the tires with water) the machines lose traction about the same.

In landscape and construction work the mechanical transmission is less convenient than hydrostatic, but maneageble. The wider turn radius of the larger machine however causes as much or more of a time penalty.



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Bigger bucket? Means more dirt moved even if the tires start spinning at about the same point. My new machine is going into the dirt pile at a lower RPM than I could ever dream of using with the old one and still coming out with a full bucket. At first I was running it in at PTO RPM and getting tire spin (still getting more dirt) but not always a full load, now with the lower RPM she dosnt spin as quickly and gets an overflowing bucket each time and I can feel the tires wanting to spin before they actually do.

The time penalty you are facing will be different for each property. For me I have learned quickly to change my line and plan ahead a little better which has netted me time savings overall.
 
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For loader work, its hard to beat that HST, we have an L3400 and I really enjoy using the loader on it and plowing snow. For mowing large open areas or heavy draft tasks, a geared transmission is hard to beat.
 
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Shu,

Thanks for the insight.

Just ignore the snits,

Clay
 

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