Sears tractor? and issues/advice? (Pic Heavy)

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Indygunworks

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1980 Ford 340
I was just given this tractor when I helped a friend move and he didn't want to take it with him. Its a sears, and he believes its from the 60's. I don't think its the original motor. We are speculating a 25ish horse USA made kohler. There are a few issues I would like to try and fix with the tractor. First, the gears grind all the time. In order to get it into gear I have to idle it down, place the transmission into neutral, force the gear I want, then select high or low. This is apparently the way its always been for my friend. Not a huge deal, except I will be using this almost exclusively to blow snow and would prefer to not have all the extra steps, and wear and tear going from forward to reverse. I believe there might be a few causes for this. If its not the original motor then the pully on the side might be a bit higher preventing the belt from being able to be pushed off the pully. Also when you push the pedal in to release tension on the belt, it also engages the transmission/tractor break. I believe this to be either out of adjustment, or the "brake band" is old and worn down. Also the parking brake hooks up to this system as well and it appears that someone tossed a bunch of washers in there to make a field expedient adjustment, that doesn't do squat. Right now the adjustments for all this are pretty well froze up so I have not been able to play with it to see if I can make it better or worse. If it helps the tractor stops MUCH easier going forward than it does going in reverse. So with the belt not being fully pushed off the drive pully, and the brake not having enough arse to stop the belt I believe the transmission is just continuing to spin which is causing the issue going into gear.

Second, I don't quite understand everything that's going on with this electricly. The lights have long been disconnected. the neutral safety switch has been disabled. there is what I believe to be a voltage regulator with heat sink that has some major corrosion and probably needs to be replaced. Attached to that are a few cords, two hot and a ground, that I believe the two hots are connected to a residential extension cord, then reconnected to some wires coming from inside of the motor. one of the connections as you will see in the photos is a small black jumper, hooked up to a red that has corroded off the connection to the heat sink. The tractor still starts and runs (when jumped (checking the batter today) so I am not sure what that whole thing is actually for. that little wire accidentily touched a ground, and the white wire that goes to a fuse, then to the battery I belive shorted itself out (as you can see from the burn marks) before the short could even blow the fuse.

At some point the ignition must have failed because you only use the key to turn the power on to the fuel pump, then a switch was added to engage the starter.(probably at the same time the neutral safety switch was disabled.

I would be more than happy to try and explain any of the pictures. but I for sure would like to rewire the whole thing, and figure out the transmission issue. As it stands now it runs great and starts easy, but if I can figure out these couple of issues I would be inclined to completely rewire the whole thing, replace the broken cowling, remount the underseat gas tank, and clean the whole thing up and repaint bringing her pretty close two like new again.

I have been told that the "new" engine only has about 5 hours on it, but the whole thing has been sitting in a yard since at least march of 13, but again, she starts and runs great (don't know if she self charges yet) and the snow blower appears to be pretty strong. Not pictured is the front blade that came with it also, and a single row planter.







































 
/ Sears tractor? and issues/advice? (Pic Heavy) #2  
I'm guessing your engine is more like 10 HP.
 
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Looks like a great project. I would start with determining what the problem with the gears are if not normal for that machine.
It is possible Sears could still have the manual on that machine in their archives. Wiring should be pretty straight forward. Not nearly as complex as the new machines. I would speculate parts may still be available for it.

Kohler could give you all the info on the engine. Should be a label on it stating the hp.
 
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Looks like a great project. I would start with determining what the problem with the gears are if not normal for that machine.
It is possible Sears could still have the manual on that machine in their archives. Wiring should be pretty straight forward. Not nearly as complex as the new machines. I would speculate parts may still be available for it.

Kohler could give you all the info on the engine. Should be a label on it stating the hp.

I couldn't find a number or model, or anything other than the "sears" logo on the steering wheel, so I wouldn't even know where to begin to look for a manual if I am not able to figure out make/model, let alone year.

I don't even know where they would have put the serial number.
 
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I couldn't find a number or model, or anything other than the "sears" logo on the steering wheel, so I wouldn't even know where to begin to look for a manual if I am not able to figure out make/model, let alone year.

I don't even know where they would have put the serial number.

The serial number will most likely be on the frame near the engine. The engine label will probably be on the side of the block.
 
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I didn't see any numbers anywhere on the frame.... I feel like I looked pretty close as well.
 
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also, when I was under the tractor it appeared that the bottom of the foot pans were still the original paint, which was yellowish in color. Also leading me to lean towards an ST model. The broken cowling that came off the top is black however it could have been repainted. Ill have some pictures of that up later today.
 
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FOUND IT!!! Right there under my nose the whole time. in this picture you can see the plate between the two bolts just behind the shifter. Its been painted over so I am going to have to do some careful stripping.



Lines up well with how they show it on this ST 16

http://www.tractordata.com/ltphotos/F001/1397/1397-td3serial.jpg
 
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I also just learned that the original motor was a 10hp Tecumseh.

Someone else on another forum pointed out that the drive belt is the wrong type and should be yellow in color to be a clutching operation rated belt, and that the one I have now might be grabbing to much.
 
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If the pulleys are as rusty as other parts that is why it is grinding.
The belts need to slip when clutch is pushed in. Rust will give them traction and keep them turning.
 
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serial number plate as best I can get.... How do I tell a year?



Also, what information do I need from the transaxle to figure out what parts I need to order to replace all the seals? I at the bare min want to replace the axle seals since one is leaking and if I am going to pull it to fix the break I might as well take care of the leak, and if I am already in there I might as well clean it up and replace the other axle seal as well.
 
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Not to steer you away from this site, but there are some pretty decent brand specific forums out there. I found this one pretty easy Vintage Sears Garden Tractors ,and looks to have lots of info, plus a message board/forum to get answers for questions.

If you click on the Tractor ID guide at the top of the main page, then scroll down to the Custom tractors, then once that opens, scroll down to the 1973 ST10, and 1976 ST10, you may find some answers. Neither of the model numbers match what I can read on the plate, but is in between those models. So posting that question on their message board may help. It looks like there is a 214 on the bottom right hand corner of the tag. That may narrow things down more.

Hope this helps, and let us know what you find..!!
 
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Even if you can't read the numbers on the old seal a lot of them can be sourced generically.
NAPA for one can match them up using a caliper to measure them.
 

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