sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill

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BobInMN

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I read your post again on pulled pork butts. I was wondering what make and model of grill you have. The local Menards has a Brinkman's Smoke'N'Pit on sale for $140. I looked on the net and the cheapest I found for that model is $400. One BBQ site I went to didn't seam to think very much of Brinkman grills. I don't have any experience with them, so really don't know what to look for. Thanks for any help you can give me. Here is a link:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/category.cfm?Category=792
 
   / sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill #2  
Bob,


How much do you think you would use the pit? Brinkman aren't the best but they will hold up to occasional smoking for a long time assuming you keep it out of the elements as much as possible. Biggest difference I have seen between units is thickness of the walls. The thicker the walls the higher the price but also, the easier it is to hold a constant temp for long periods of time.

Mostly, it comes down to how much you want to spend. I dream about a "Klose" pit from Texas. Big heavy walled unit that could smoke up enough meat for a humongous get together. Until that dream comes true I will continue to smoke brisket and pork butt and ribs on my 22 inch Weber kettle grill.

Here's a link to Klose:
Klose BBQ pits

I have a zillion more bookmarked if you want them.


Smoke 'em if you got'em.


Mike
 
   / sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill #3  
Bob,
I realize that mentioning propane and smoker in the same paragraph is heresy to a lot of those who won't use anything but wood or charcoal, but here goes!
The recent thread probably got me started too, and I spent some time trying to determine which smoker I needed. The Weber Smoky Mountain seems to be the best "bullet" type small charcoal smoker, based on all I could find. I believe Brinkman makes some decent ones too, but those I saw were built lighter than some breadboxes Mom had when I was a boy.
Knowing that I don't need something that I'll have to be stoking the coals on through the day I decided to look at electric or propane smokers. Couldn't find an electric model that was thermostat controlled.
I stumbled into a "Great Outdoors Smoky Mountain Smoker" at WalMart for $149 and got back to the computer to try to research it. Found that it had great reviews. They also make a little larger unit called a "Big Block". I think 24"X16" grids vs 16"X16" for mine. I went back and bought it. Seems to be a good buy for the buck. Provides good smoke at 230 degrees or so for about four hours, which is generally adequate to flavor the meat. Once you get the temp where you want it there's not much change, and little variation from top to bottom racks. I posted a thread over on CBN the other day about it. Enjoy.
 

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   / sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill #4  
Considering that you have the discrimination and good taste to also have a Holland grill, I'd have to say that you know your grills very well. Indeed, the Weber Smokey Mountain is very possibly the best of the water smokers -- there's a real cult built up around it. But, as you said, it's a pain in the (not pork) butt to keep it stoked up for 8 - 10 hours.

What I discovered was that whoever started the Great Outdoors grill company knows what makes a good grill, and knows how to make them in quantity so they can be mass marketed. Their first grill was a copy of the MHP gas grill, very possibly one of the higher quality aluminum grills available -- but at a price point of $600-$900 or so. Great Outdoors make a credible copy that sold at Wally World for $300-$400. It's one of the reasons why I got out of the BBQ grill retail business a couple of years ago -- I simply couldn't claim that the more expensive grills I sold (one of which was the MHP) were any better that the Great Outdoors grills.

Now that they've expanded into smokers, it doesn't surprise me that they are decent grills. As far as the Brinkmann stuff is concerned, there was a day when they were OK or maybe a little better, then they got bought out by WC Bradley, who also owns Charbroil, and the quality took a bath, like most of their other grills.

Sounds like you make a good choice.
 
   / sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill #5  
I've enjoyed it, but there's a learning curve with the smoker vs grilling.
Seems that I read a couple of guys left Sunbeam and started Great Outdoor grills, maybe in Missouri. They've been bought out in the last couple of years and the product is made in China. Their gogrills website is no longer active, but others have said you can contact the company via telephone if parts, etc. are needed. I've also located a site online that sells parts (but I've not needed any).
 
   / sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill #6  
So Glenn, I have a couple questions:

Is the Propane just a heat source to get the wood smoking like the electric smokers? If so how often and where did you add the wood and do you need to use chips or chunks or logs?


How long does it run on a regular bottle of Propane? 8 hours? 24?...weeks??


And, How low can you get the temp? One reason I have considered getting one of the electric or Propane fired models is to have a temp below 200 degrees, say 170 to 190 for smoking sausage and hams.


Mike
 
   / sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill #7  
At this group dedicated to these smokers one guy figured his gas useage, as stated below. As far as whether the bottle of gas will last "weeks", it depends on how often you smoke!

> I've been holding cooking temps at around 220 degrees F. on
> average. To achieve this, the dial has ranged from just below
> medium to "below the low setting" (i.e. I had to turn past high
> toward the off position to get a flame small enough to maintain
> 220). Today I had the dial a little below medium due to a cold
> front that moved through a couple of days ago (temps today around
> 60).
>
> I just finished my 49th hour of smoking time (over about 5 smoking
> sessions) on my first tank of gas. And my propane tank still
weighs
> 22.5 lbs. My tank weighed 36.5 pounds freshly filled before I
> started smoking.
>
> Since an empty tank is supposed to weigh 17 lbs., I'd guess that I
> still have 4-5 lbs of gas (trying to estimate conservatively).
>
> I've used 14 lbs so far. This calculates to 49/14 = 3.5
> hours per pound (in my application).
>
> I should have another (4 x 3.5 =) 14 hours of smoke time left,
> assuming similar smoking conditions. If so, then I'd be getting
> over 60 hours on a tank of gas. At about $10 per tank (my cost),
> that calculates to around $.15/hour cost to smoke.


The unit has a cast brass burner in the bottom. Right above that, on a rack, is a cast iron "wood box" with a slotted lid. Some use wood chips, or chunks. I've read complaints that the chips or chunks burned out too quickly and in two or three hours had to be replenished. I have a pretty good supply of various hardwoods generally due to a woodworking hobby, and have been cutting slabs of scrap to about 6"X6"X1" or so so they'll lay flat in the bowl, stacked two high with the lid on. Seem to be getting smoke 4-5 hours this way, but if you wanted more replenishment wouldn't be a problem with mitts or something like pliers to handle the hot iron. I'm not expert in this, but have read that the smoke flavor is introduced into the meat during the first couple of hours. Also, I think some of the people concerned about smoke think it should be "boiling" smoke to be effective. A lot of times the smoke doesn't have to be really visible, but just thin wisps you can hardly see, and is effective. There's also a water bowl that can be used if desired to help maintain moisture. I've found that the smoker should be rinsed out every so often to prevent accumulation of "creosote" flavored buildup that will invade your meats. Meats will do better if not put into the smoker "cold", but allow to get closer to room temperature.
I've not tried any low temperature smoking so far, but did cook some pork chops about 1-1/4" thick, and tried to hold the temp around 210. You have to be careful with these as they don't have the fat in them and will dry out easily.
I believe I can stabilize the temperature around 180-190 but am not sure as I haven't tried. I didn't get visible smoke under 200 so I stayed in that area. After a little tinkering I realized that it takes a while for the temperature to stabilize after making adjustments to the valve. I turned it down "a little" thinking it should go from 250 to about 200 with that adjustment, and when I came back by about thirty minutes later it was about 170. I intend to do more along the lines of checking actual temperatures on different levels and areas of the smoker against the thermometer in the door too so I'll know more about what's going on in there.
As far as the electric models, I looked for something around this area that was thermostat controlled but couldn't find one. From my reading it seemed that with these you place your chips/chunks near or on the electric heating element??? Also, all the electrics I did see were very flimsy looking. Overall, I'm very pleased with this one, and since I got it have noticed several around my community and have heard nothing but positive things about them.
 
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Well, after doing a lot of reading on the web I decided to get the Brinkmann. It is a Pitmaster Deluxe Model 805-2101-S. From what I was able to find out most people that own one said it was a good beginners model. They recommend a few easy modifications to it like extending the smokestack down into the cooking chamber so it touches the grate (retains more heat). Moving the temp gauge from the top to right above the handle for more accuracy. Then installing a baffle over the opening from the firebox into the cooking chamber to defuse the heat more. I plan on making the mods today and seasoning it like the directions said. From what I can tell so far I think it's worth the $140 I paid for it. Had to give an extra $15 at WalMart for the temp gauge. I guess I'm just to cheap, I couldn't bring myself to spending what they wanted for some of the other models. I'm not saying they aren't worth it, I'm just to cheap. I'll let you know how I like it after I actually try cooking something.
 
   / sassafraspete - Smoker/Grill #9  
Bob, I just now read your post....and looks like you already got started. That's the important thing...just start cooking. The grill I have is in your price range....www.Lowes.com sells them....they are called char-griller pros. Admitttedly they are pretty thin metal, but I have a plastic cover for mine and keep a can of black heatproof spray paint to keep it touched up and from rusting. It has cast iron cooking grates, and a pull out wood grate that fits in the bottom. The side box also has a pullout wood grate and small cooking grate to use if you are not smoking. I have never had a fancy grill, nor spent much money on one. On one of these, I believe if you take reasonable care and keep clean, (wet wood ashes are caustic)...and keep dry...you can get a few good years out of it. If you get 5 yrs out of it, you have only spent $30 a yr, plus sweat in cutting your wood.

Just like tractors....you can start with an old 8n or buy a new 4wd. Up to you how much you want to spend.

Good luck with the smoking....

sassafraspete
 

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