Refinancing question about home mortgage

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CountryBoy

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I have 2 offers to refinance my home through lendingtree.com.
The 2 lenders that made me offers were:
Freedom Mortgage
and
Tribeca Lending
These were better offers(% wise) than through my local bank I deal with.
Has anyone ever heard of these lenders? Is there an advantage or disadvantage of financing with a mortgage company versus a bank ?How does a mortgage company differ from a bank? Do they deal strictly in home loans?Any words of advise,pro's/cons ?
Thanks
 
/ Refinancing question about home mortgage #2  
Here is something to watch out for if you have any property. I applied for a refi to the best offer I got through lendingtree (Sovereign bank IIRC). After going to the trouble of copying reams of papers and sending them off to the lender they made an offer that was a couple hundred thousand less than our house and property are worth. They claimed that they had no way to evaluate the worth of our property, and didn't want to deal with bare land, so they based the total amount financed only on our house. A local bank had no problem refinancing the entire amount.
 
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don't know anything about either of those lending co. they may be fine, but if u are in doubt then don't do it. sometimes cheaper is not cheaper. u really need to get some in depth info on anyone that is going to hold your mortage. i know this is not mush help but just my advice. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I financed & refinanced with two companies I found on the Internet. I didn't have any problems with either. I found them at Bankrate.com both times. I usually didn't pick the best deal, since they were swamped, but the number three guy usually had a good deal and had some time to deal with you. (Everyone calls the cheapest guy.) My primary criteria to ensure some level of quality was that a Mortgage Broker must be licensed in multiple states. That way if you live in a state with lax rules, you find someone who also operates under strict rules in another state.

I never met my broker, so I never shook his hand, but the check arrived on time, and I closed with no problems. The one thing that will be different from dealing with a local bank and a broker, is that a broker will sell your loan to a bank immediately and that's the last you will ever hear from him. I think I lucked out as far who bought my loans: Wells Fargo and SunTrust, both have local offices. The interesting thing is that each time I got a better rate and lower closing costs than I would have gotten from dealing with these banks directly: I checked. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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I figure who I buy from has little impact on the loan. If the terms are good, they are good. More than likey the loan will be sold after a short time.
 
/ Refinancing question about home mortgage #6  
A bank is going to sell your mortgage also. mine sold mine within a month after closing.
i found dealing with my bank though gave me someone to ask questions to. they guided me along. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Now my interest rate was locked in and my mortgage company is ok.

i know the lady that handled mine said they had stacks of mortgages waiting to be sold off.

now i have considered with interest rates being lower now than when i closed refinancing. i just havent looked into it closer.
i'll watch your saga. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ Refinancing question about home mortgage #7  
I'm in the middle of refinancing mine. I looked at the rates from bankrate.com and interest.com, but ended up calling the local mortgage broker that I dealt with before and recieved the same interest rates as what were being quoted on the internet.

I feel more comfortable dealing with the local broker; not only do I know the guy, but I also trust him to steer me right, and I'm willing to pay a little more in closing costs for peace of mind and good service. He pointed out that I apparently owe a whopping $0.48 on my property taxes that were deferred, and the deadline is coming up this end of July, I should probably pay before the end of the month. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I have no clue how this came about (probably the county treasurer mis-deposited the check) but appreciate having someone looking out for my interests.

The main difference that I can see between a broker and a bank is that a broker can obtain loans from different lenders, using different criteria, and is often able to be more flexible than a bank. When I took out the original loan on our house, the local bank (Wells Fargo) offered the same interest rate as the broker, but ended up turning us down because we didn't "qualify" to fit their criteria. This time around, I didn't even bother to give them a call.
 
/ Refinancing question about home mortgage
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1.
I talked to my local bank the other day and he told me:
He could get me aloan for 5 1/2 % through an "out of house lender for 5 1/2% fixed rate (the loan is being sold and I have to go through the reapprassial) or we could keep it "in house" I pay him the local bank $500 no closing costs etc and he drops it from 7.75 % rate to 4.5% rate which is good for 5 years and then it goes to a variable rate that has a 10.5% ceiling (6% total change either way)once the 5 year period is up it can change up to 2 % max each year.
I feel that for the amount of money I am talking and as low as the intrest rates are I would be ahead to lock myself in on a fixed rate.
2. How long do you think it will be before the feds change the rate again(I am wondering how much of a time frame I have to get this done.
3.
I do not fully understand why the banks buy and sell loans,would someone please explain ? (pretty please /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
 
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<font color="blue">2. How long do you think it will be before the feds change the rate again(I am wondering how much of a time frame I have to get this done. </font>

You have some time. Fed right now is 'battling' deflationary forces in the economy. Interest rates have plummeted since January, 2001. They may have hit rock bottom just about now. The Fed can only lower another 100 basis points until they are down to zero. I don't believe they want to see it get down to that level. Rates will likely start going up again only after there is a noticeable 'pick up' in the economy.....when business starts to hire again, unemployment rates start declining, and business capital spending increases markedly. Even then, the Fed will likely wait until they are sure there is a definite revival in economic trends. My guess is you won't see an increase in mortgage rates (linked somewhat to but not perfectly correlated with the rise and fall of the Fed discount rate) for another 6 months minimum and maybe at least a year.

...Bob
 
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I'll answer your question #3 - banks/institutions primarily sell their loans in order to free up capital and reduce interest rate risk.

For example, if you take out a $100,000 loan, somebody somewhere is actually coughing up $100,000 cash to give to you. If it's a bank, that means (generally) that enough people have deposited $100,000 in that bank to come up with enough cash to lend you the $100,000. The bank charges you, say, 6% on the loan and pays their depositer 2% interest on their savings account. The bank keeps the 4% spread as a difference. In the meantime, while holding your loan, the bank runs the risk that you will repay that loan early (either because you sold the house and simply paid off the mortgage or you refinanced somewhere else).

If they instead sell your loan right away, they get the profit from the sale of the loan and have the $100,000 back in their account. Granted, now they need to invest it somewhere else to pay their depositers 2%, but they have eliminated the risk that their income stream (your monthly interest payments) have stopped.

In addition, by holding your loan, they need a servicing department to handle your monthly payments, etc.

Alot of Credit Unions and local S & L's do hold and service their own mortgages. That's why they also tend to pay the highest interest rate on deposits. If you watch closely, you'll notice that their mortgage rates also do not fluctuate as much as mortgage brokers or other institutions that sell their loans; that's because they need to be concerned about getting too many low interest rates on their books (because it that happens, and interest rates start to rise, then they are forced to pay out higher rates to retain depositers, but are stuck collecting interest payments on low rate loans).

Note that mortgage rates tend to follow the ten year Treasury Rate. That's why mortgage rates went up last week when the Fed cut the rate.
 
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I'll add to this that one of the largest purchasers of loans is Fannie Mae (US Govt). That's one of the reasons why lenders give so much attention to the maximum loan amount (currently 322,700), because they know that they can resell conforming loans at a later time, while non-conforming (large) loans usually have to stay in-house with a single lender.

As to interest rates, it's anyone's guess. Rates tend to follow the 10-year T-bill, not the federal discount rate. After the Fed announced the rate cut, mortgage rates increased by at least 0.5 points.
 
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One of my clients is a closing company. Every day, someone does a closing where all they rave about is the low interest rate they got over the internet. But the local banks are doing the same rates, usually for lower fees. Those fees can really kill a low rate....
 
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Fannie Mae,I heard about that on the news a couple of weeks ago,(I think)thought there were some legal issues. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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Either or..... One got caught??? This article may be what he was thinking about. mortgage giants
 
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To second snowmans answer, the reason the loans are sold is to keep capital in the bank. Assume you have a small bank with 20 million in deposits. (Maybe as few as a couple hundered loans). With that small of a sum, it wouldn't take long to lend it all out and have no more to loan. By selling the loans, the bank can invest its 20 million in higher interest rate loans or other investments, and still have money to loan.

Almost all of the loans made in the US will be sold to investors. There are still some small regional or district banks that will hold the majority of their loans, but they are few and growing fewer as the big boys keep buying each other out.

Fannie and Freddie are similar, both started as US government programs, and I believe both have since been privatized. (Unlike HUD). There are also a number of other investors, however there are only a handful that buy most of the loans.

Steve
 

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