Questions on a diesel storage tank

[Rolando]

I want to set up a 300 gal diesel tank on my property and have been doing some research on it. But I have several questions that I'm hoping you all can help me with.

I've been looking at setting up the tank with the Tuthill Model #FR610CNT Fuel Pump, the Goldenrod Standard Fuel Filter, and the Goldenrod Water-Block Fuel Filter. It seemed to me a good idea to filter for both particles and water.

My questions about this are as follows:

1. What do you think about using both filter types? I don't have any reason to suspect the quality of diesel I'll be getting, but I'm in Northcentral Florida where an 80% humidity day is considered 'dry'. I'm planning to put a canvas roof over the tank and maybe paint it with an aluminum paint to try to keep it cool, but I don't know if that would be enough. What kind of paint would you recommend?

2. Is there a weight issue to the fittings on the pump with both filters connected in line and then the weight of the hose after that? I'm sure this is a stupid question, but am I correct that you would disconnect the hose from the pump, connect the two filters to the pump and then the hose to the last filter?

3. Does it matter which filter gets mounted first from the pump?

4. I notice that while the pump is rated at 15 gpm, the filters are only rated at 5 gpm. Is there a potential problem with the higher pump flow, or does the pump just cycle as needed to meet the flow demand?

5. This pump comes with a manual nozzle. What do you think about spending the extra $60 or so to get an automatic like the Tuthill Automatic Fuel Nozzle, Model #700F3144?

6. I was also thinking about getting the Tuthill Mechanical Fuel Meter Model #807CMK to be able to share the fuel with my neighbor and turn over the diesel faster. Does this meter go on the filter end of the hose, or next to the nozzle?

I know this is quite a mouth full, but I would appreciate whatever input you can give me.

 

[Retired Iron Peddler]

I want to set up a 300 gal diesel tank on my property and have been doing some research on it. But I have several questions that I'm hoping you all can help me with.

I've been looking at setting up the tank with the Tuthill Model #FR610CNT Fuel Pump, the Goldenrod Standard Fuel Filter, and the Goldenrod Water-Block Fuel Filter. It seemed to me a good idea to filter for both particles and water.

My questions about this are as follows:

1. What do you think about using both filter types? I don't have any reason to suspect the quality of diesel I'll be getting, but I'm in Northcentral Florida where an 80% humidity day is considered 'dry'. I'm planning to put a canvas roof over the tank and maybe paint it with an aluminum paint to try to keep it cool, but I don't know if that would be enough. What kind of paint would you recommend?

2. Is there a weight issue to the fittings on the pump with both filters connected in line and then the weight of the hose after that? I'm sure this is a stupid question, but am I correct that you would disconnect the hose from the pump, connect the two filters to the pump and then the hose to the last filter?

3. Does it matter which filter gets mounted first from the pump?

4. I notice that while the pump is rated at 15 gpm, the filters are only rated at 5 gpm. Is there a potential problem with the higher pump flow, or does the pump just cycle as needed to meet the flow demand?

5. This pump comes with a manual nozzle. What do you think about spending the extra $60 or so to get an automatic like the Tuthill Automatic Fuel Nozzle, Model #700F3144?

6. I was also thinking about getting the Tuthill Mechanical Fuel Meter Model #807CMK to be able to share the fuel with my neighbor and turn over the diesel faster. Does this meter go on the filter end of the hose, or next to the nozzle?

I know this is quite a mouth full, but I would appreciate whatever input you can give me.

1. I think using both filters is overkill. BTW, I've used the Golden Road filters you show in the past, but I got tired of the seeps and leaks and now buy the metal spin on type water block filters instead.

2. See No. 1

3. See No. 1

4. I use a 12 volt pump and don't know...

5. No, I wouldn't spend the extra $... watch it when filling the tank. It doesn't take that long.

6. I've usde a similar meter to keep up with fuel in different tractors and found they weren't that accurate. Use a smaller fuel tank and refill it more often to keep the fuel fresh.

Bill

 

[EddieWalker]

I bought my 12volt electric pump from Tractor Supply. They had a 25% off sale that I used on it. Four years later and thousands of gallons through it without any problems. I keep it outside in the weather too.

My filter is a from Napa. I replace the cartridge about once a year. It will start pumpling slower, which is when I know it's time to replace the filter.

Sorry I don't know anything about the items you listed, just thought I'd tell you about what's worked for me.

Eddie

 

[LBrown59]

*****I want to set up a 300 gal diesel tank on my property..
I've been looking at setting up the tank with the Tuthill Model #FR610CNT
1* Fuel Pump, the Goldenrod 2*Standard Fuel Filter, and the Goldenrod 3*Water-Block Fu .
4* It seemed to me a good idea to filter for both particles and water.:

5. What do you think about using both filter types?
6* I'm planning to put a canvas roof over the tank and maybe paint it aluminum.
7*What kind of paint would you recommend?
8*. Is there a weight issue to the fittings on the pump with both filters connected ?
9*. Does it matter which filter gets mounted first from the pump?
10*This pump comes with a manual nozzle.
11*What do you think about spending the extra $60 or so to get an automatic like the Tuthill Automatic Fuel Nozzle, Model #700F3144?
12*. I was also thinking about getting the Tuthill Mechanical Fuel Meter Model #807CMK 13*to be able to share the fuel with my neighbor and turn over the diesel faster.

***** Why a 300 gallon tank?
How long do you think it will take you to use 300 Gal?
1*This pump cost as much as I have in my complete set up.
To me it just wasn't worth it when the 69 dollar pump I used will do the job just fine.
2*-3*you don't need both filters!
4*That's exactly what a water block filter does and why you don't need the other filter.
5*It's twice the expense and maintenance as necessary at little or no gain in benefits.
6*&7* Forget painting and put it inside.
Mine's inside out of sight and temptation for theft.
8*If i'm not mistaken the pump you're looking at is mounted to the tank so the tank has to bear all the weight of the pump filter and fittings.
This makes removing the tank from the set up cumbersome as you have to remove the pump filter and fittings.
My pump with filter and fittings sets on a shelf totally independent of the tank so there is no weight stress on the tank from them.
To remove the tank from the set up I simply unscrew a union and it's done in less that a minute.
9*Just use the water block filter and forget the other one.
Look at it like this if you take a 5 gallon can to a truck stop and fill it with diesel then dump it in your tractor how much filtering do you get?
Now what if you dump the can of fuel into your tank with just the one waterblock filter on it and then pump the diesel from it into the tractor how much filtering are you getting now.
Since you aren't filtering the fuel now why would you need to filter it twice simply because you have a fuel set up??
10*Go with a manual.
11*Not worth the difference to me.
12*To much money and I've heard they aren't all that accurate.
13*I've offered to sell my neighbor fuel.
If he wants 1 gallon I'll fill up a 1 gallon can that way I know it's 1 gallon.
If he wants 2 gallon I'll fill up a 2 gallon can that way I know it's 2 gallon.
If he wants 5 gallon I'll fill up a 5 gallon can that way I know it's 5 gallon.
Probably bout as accurate as a meter and don't cost a cent.
50 chivy 60 chivy Bx23

 

[LBrown59]

I want to set up a 300 gal diesel tank on my property
Tuthill Model #FR610CNT Fuel Pump,

Goldenrod Standard Fuel Filter,

Goldenrod Water-Block Fuel Filter.

Tuthill Automatic Fuel Nozzle, Model #700F3144?

Tuthill Mechanical Fuel Meter Model #807CMK
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"The Earth is just too small and fragile a basket for the human race to keep all its eggs in." - Robert A. Heinlein

~~This stuff totals out to $578.
By the time you add the tank,hoses and pipe fittings it looks like you will have at least $700 in the deal.
I can buy a lot of diesel for the $400 difference in this and my $300 set up.

 

[LBrown59]

GoldenrodWater-Block Fuel Filter.
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I went with the spin on type instead of this style.
I figured if spin on filters were good enough for millions and millions of cars trucks and other vehicles it was good enough fo my set up.
Like another poster i was some concerned with this filter leakeaking.

 

[AlanB]

I run a similar pump and filter.

I believe the Water block also has a particulate filter built in, I would have to look again, but do not believe you need to run two.

I really like the water block filter, and although I got PO'd when It blocked, (twice, and they are done when saturated, no way to dry them out or anything) when I thought about the consequences of it not blocking I was a little easier to get along with.

You can buy the Wix filters with the WB off filter 1 cheaper then anwhere I have found.

The digital meter just needs to go in the flow, if it were mine, I would mount it after the filter.

If you make a long string of filters, meters etc, then yes, you should support them. Usually it is done simply by some sort of simple stand or support (I often use wood) and then just screw a pipe clamp (looks like a U with a hole in each end) over the pipes between the items to hold it securely to your stand.

My pump has a nipple coming out, then the WB filter, then the hose straight to it, but I am the only guy using it.

At work I have filter strings, several filter's long, and we support between each filter with a clamp.

Auto shut off is nice, but at home, where the wife and I (read, buyers of the fuel) are the only ones doing it, we pay pretty good attention.

If it was work, with multiple folks operating the pump, I would pay the extra money and have the auto shutoff.

Off to look at the websites and verify that the WB is also a particulate filter now

OK, little internet detective work and here you go, the filter is a particulate as well, but the down side is that if you go with the Goldenrod from DL the part is 15 micron instead of the 10 micron that is on their particulate only filter.

If you go with there spin on WB it has a 10 micron built in

Dutton-Lainson Company - Since 1886

That said, the Wix replacement part # 24042 has a 10 micron filtration rating, I buy mine from Filter 1 but I buy enough filters to make it worth while.

I happen to really like seeing the fluid in the bowl, one of the quickest and easiest ways of detecting problem fuel is too look at it, and that transluscent bowl is as easy of a way to do that as I know.

And please Mr. Brown, don't quote and counterpoint everything I just said, it just takes away from the info.

 

[slaveToHorses]

I have essentially what you are proposing. It works great. I had power nearby so I went with a 115v pump. I keep track of my fueling on the various equipment and road vehicles so I added the meter. I have checked it against cans and it is within 0.1g, which is about as close as I can expect to measure it using a can. Good enough for my purposes.

I put the water filter first due to it's larger particulate rating. Not sure if that is best. Could do with only one but the cost of an extra filter is pretty low over the life span of the system.

I worried about the extra strain of the filters and nipples but I am the only one that uses it and I am careful. One of these days I will probably make a support...or not.

I kept the manual nozzle because it is smaller diameter and that helps when trying to look past it into the tank or can. It doesn't take long to fill even large tanks so I have had no incentive to change to an automatic fill. Except that the plastic cover would be nice when it is cold out! That aluminum handle can get really cold.

Here are some photos, for fun. The wide angle lens makes the close up of the filters seem curved.

 

[LBrown59]

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Here are some photos, for fun. The wide angle lens makes the close up of the filters seem curved.

Nice set up!
You must use quite a bit of fuel.
How much does the tank hold?
I don't need to store that much fuel so I went with a 30 gallon drum.
I didn't want the pump mounted to the tank/drum because I wanted it to be quick and simple to separate it from the rest of the set up to allow taking the drum to someplace to get it filled.
I also had concerns that the weight of the pump filter fittings and hoses would put to much strain on the plastic drum.
I mounted my pump on a shelf so all I have to do is disconnect a union and the drum is completely separated from the rest of the set up.
The shelf also eliminated my concern about to much weight on the drum.
All the weight is on the shelf - not the drum.
A problem I incurred was how do I get a drum with 225 pounds of diesel in it off of the truck.
To heavy & risky to use a hand truck and run it down a ramp off the truck.
Didn't want to fool around with firing up the tractor and digging out and installing the bucket forks to lift it off the truck.
Solution: I added a second suction hose to the set up to pump the fuel out of the drum then set the light empty drum off the truck by hand.
My set up is inside out of the weather and out of sight of would be thieves.
The small drum and compactness of the set up made putting it inside easy.

 

[slaveToHorses]

Nice set up!
You must use quite a bit of fuel.
How much does the tank hold?
I don't need to store that much fuel so I went with a 30 gallon drum.
...
My set up is inside out of the weather and out of sight of would be thieves.
The small drum and compactness of the set up made putting it inside easy.

The tank is 275g. I use enough fuel to turn the load around within a reasonable storage time. I would have gone for something a bit smaller but didn't have many good choices.

I have seen photos of your setup. It's nice. I too like the idea of having it be out of the weather but I didn't have a suitable location. There are some advantages to being outside though. The area gets washed almost daily, a good portion of the year