PTO???

gordyy · Apr 29, 2009

haha the gear versus hst is almost as good as the joystick versus 4 valves
I remember back in the days they were just introducing the joystick
the owner of the company I worked for showed up the second day I was working a brand new white TLB walked to the side to watch seen me with a hand on each control and went ballistic.
and I still know a guy or two who will spend thousands to change out the valves on a new TLB

Soundguy · Apr 30, 2009

Altex said:
In case you didn't know, The point here is NOT comparing different Operators. The point is comparing equipment, Gear vs. HST. The same Operator in a Gear Tractor vs. the same Operator in an HST Tractor. This is what Operator/Buyer wants to know when buying a tractor. Which is faster, more effcient.

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I got the point just fine.. I think the point you are not getting is that either machine will perform just fine at mowing.. so long as the operator's brain is engaged before he starts touching the tractor controls.

It's common sense.. if you are on a gear machine, you don't choose a route that makes you backup and change directions constantly.. if you are on an HSt.. you CAN backup and change directions alot. I'd wager that the small amount of overlap on the 'forward only' gear machine isn't too much more of a time waister than the stop and direction change on the hst, when you boil it all down at the end of a large job.

Also keep in mind My idea of a mowing machine is a 15' batwing mower... Backing and making kick turns isn't my idea of the best use of that mower.. thus i plan accordingly. If there was a tree in the way.. due to the size of the mower, either machine is going to have to make a few extra maneuvers to get all the grass knocked down... for an hst that might mean a series of back and forths.. for a gear.. it might mean a single pass at the end of the job in a direction perpendicular to the tree to catch the leading and trailing cone sections that could not be picked up head on.

I'm not sure why ou think gear mowing tractors suddenly became obsolete as soon as hst machines were invented??.. for that application with the specifics i mentioned.. there ain't alot of difference. If there are tons of obstacles and blind aeas to cut.. etc.. I won't be mowing it with a batwing anwyay!

soundguy

Gittyup · Apr 30, 2009

I think the OP probably has enough info on HST v. gear to make up their own minds.

MMagis · Apr 30, 2009

Altex said:
So with Gear, you have that spiral effect where you run over ground that has already been cut on the ends of the field.

Add trees or other obstacles to Gear and you're running over more ground that has already been cut.

With HST you don't have to run over ground that has already been cut.

So which is faster?

I have to say, it seems you've never actually used a gear tractor. I wouldn't say that one is better than the other, but your sketches make absolutely no sense. Why in the world would anyone mow in those patterns? Did you make those up to prove a point? If so, I don't get it I guess.

greenmule · Apr 30, 2009

Not only have at least a couple of these guys not ever used a gear tractor before to cut with,they probably ain't cut over a 1/2 acre at a time with their hst's.[probably just their yards].

They can't even argue the facts.Because a few here evidently,don't know the facts,but they keep on yipping anyways.

Soundguy · Apr 30, 2009

greenmule said:
Not only have at least a couple of these guys not ever used a gear tractor before to cut with,they probably ain't cut over a 1/2 acre at a time with their hst's.[probably just their yards].

They can't even argue the facts.Because a few here evidently,don't know the facts,but they keep on yipping anyways.

Heck what do we know!

.. I mean.. some of us use our tractors primarilly to mow. I know my NH 7610s and 15' batwing, and my ford 5000 and 10' mower.. those tractors don't do anything -BUT- mow...

soundguy

phyxer · Apr 30, 2009

Personally I think we've reached the point where we all whip 'em out and see who's is the biggest! Clearly there is no longer any education going on.

Troy

greenmule · Apr 30, 2009

I'm in trouble than.

Altex · Apr 30, 2009

Soundguy said:
Heck what do we know! .. I mean.. some of us use our tractors primarilly to mow. I know my NH 7610s and 15' batwing, and my ford 5000 and 10' mower.. those tractors don't do anything -BUT- mow...

soundguy

Focus guys. Fact: The Original Poster needed info for a tractor on 12.5 acres to do other things besides mowing, like FEL, PHD, Backhoe, etc... So with your statement above are you suggesting them to get a big Gear Tractor with a 15' Batwing or 10' Mower? How's that going to help with the other tasks?

Ever heard of "It's not what you know. It's how you use, what you know." Or, "Right tool for the job."

Seems like if someone asked you advice for tools/hammer to built a small dog house, you'd say "Get a Sludge Hammer. I can out Hammer any other kind of hammer with it."