Planning my Firewood Processor

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Guy37

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I am planning to make a firewood processor on an old 5x10' hay wagon. It will be to process around 20 face cord a year using fallen timber and cull from my 20 acres of forest. My trees are mostly maple with some beech and ash. I hope my splitter to handle up to 16 inches, although I have bigger ones.
I have made a crude drawing using Sketchup but I am limited in my proficiency of this software that can be seen below.
I intend to use a 13hp lawn mower motor, a 16gpm pump, a 15 gallons oil tank, a 5'' bore cylinder that extent 22'', a cylinder to lift the log for the cut and another one to lift larger pieces directly to the splitter.
The log should advance using a winch. I was wandering if the wedge I intend to use will be strong enough to split my 15 or 16''.
Feel free to share your ideas on this and your advice concerning the building of this processor. Thank you.

Guy

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Guy, congrats on the decision to build a firewood processor. We finished ours up last fall and it ended up working well for us (after working out a few bugs) It's real time and back saver.

A couple of question for you on the design plans & requirements.
-Is the saw going to be hydraulic or are you planning on using a regular chainsaw on a pivot? If hydraulic I am worried about your engine and pump being able to run a saw. Definitely don't go for .404 chain. Stick to .375
-What are you planning on doing with the wood after it is split? Efficient evacuation of split wood is one of the biggest issues. You will build up a pile that backs up into the wedge in no time. I see a ramp after the splitter. I don't see that fairing too well. KiotiKen tried and it did not work. I don't think that using the ram to push the split logs with more split logs really works. Inevitably you need to get at the log you just split all too often. You will need to lift it out to split it again, get in there to clear jams, pound logs out backwards that just won't split.
-Where are you planning on putting the controls? I see you needing to tend to things on both sides of the machine quite often. OK if you are planning on running with 2 people but cumbersome and time consuming with one. The loading of logs into the trough from the infeed rack, winching them through, and dealing with the saw are on one side and the splitter is on the other. I like offset designs for their ability to keep things at a lower height but inline keeps things closer for one operator. Its a tradeoff.
-It may be in your mental plans but not in the drawing, but, I don't see a log clamp behind the saw. You will need one otherwise the log will move during cutting and the chain will bind.
-We planned our processor to be capable of running 24" dia. logs. That will never happen. If the log were venere grade, straight as an arrow, beautiful straight grain, possibly, but I doubt it. 14 or so is the most we've dared to run on it. If you run into a medium sized knot in there it will bind all up in the wedge and it is no fun at all. You just lost 30 to 45 minutes getting the thing back out. So that being said, having the initial plan for the processor to be able to run 24" has helped tremendously because almost no logs are straight. The curves, kinks, and bends in the log will take away from the actual capacity. Hard to explain without seeing it but if you have a 12" log with even a slight bend in it, it could be outside of the reach of the clamp or the saw bar might not cut through the far side. So I say plan the clamp and bar for larger than what you will actually cut. You won't be able to process a 16" log with a 16" or even a 20" bar.
-I like the idea of the log lift on there to split things that were not cut on the processor. That would be real handy! Wish we had that capability sometimes.

OK, on to the questions that you had asked:
-I see 2 wedge designs. I don't see either working as is. On both of them I would loose the top little wedge that makes it an 8-way. I think it's just too much for a 13hp to handle. The wedge that is rendered needs to have the bevels of the bottom two wings to go in opposite directions. The split log will jam into the upper wedge and stop dead in its tracks. The bottom wedge needs to send the split down and the top one needs to send it up. Plus you need to raise the top of back of the top wedge to allow for some relief as the split runs through. Discussed a bit here in this thread. As far as the second wedge design it could work without the top wedge. That would cause everythig to bind since the splits form the vee will want to ride up and get stopped at the top wedge. Here is our multi-wedge design




With any type of progressive multi wedge (full length vertical split is done first and then it proceeds to the multi wedge) I think you want the tips of the multi wedge to engage before the center. It helps to prevent the log from just opening up and not splitting once it hits the multi wedge. You will still have issues with it on some logs but it does a pretty good job of keeping it to a minimum.

That and I don't think you need to have the step in the main vertical wedge at the bottom. Just make it straight up and down. If you have a log that requires the initial vertical split to be progressive you will never get it through the multi wedge. I guess this statement is null and void if you are planning on having the multi wedge be removable. If you'r planning on being able to split things just in half you could leave it in there.

I look forward to seeing the progress.
 
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Bill, thank you very much for your comments and expertise on my plans for a firewood processor.
While many people thought about building one for years, for me its only been a few monts. Since I am retired, I took days looking at videos on You tube on processors and log splitters, homemade and manufactured. I also read all I could on related treads on different forums. Ken's tread was particularly interesting and informative. And I was impressed by the collaboration and helpful hints by a large number of the forum experienced members.
Now to your questions: I will use a chainsaw but I envy those who have a hydraulic one.
After the split, and according to my ideas, the wood will be push up (fingers crossed) about a foot to drop in a box (6 feet away) large enough to accommodate a face cord. When full, an empty one will replace it and so on until 3 or 4 are ready for stacking.
The hydraulic valves will be to the left of the chainsaw. The splitter valve is the only one I will need to function from the other side, 3 feet away.
The log clamp is also where the atv winch will move the spiked wheels to advance the log. It should be weighed to about a hundred pounds and moved up when a new log is put in place. The opening for the log will be 22 inches and I hope to process up to 16鋳, taking into account the possible bent.
My 20 inches bar might not be enough.

I wish I had a wedge simulator. What I have to figure it out is the examples I have seen, common sense and the experiences of others. Its the single piece of engineering that can make a processor efficient or not. And I have more questions than answers. I have seen yours in action and it seems to work fine. But I was wandering why you had the wings to split at the same time. Is it not better if they splits one after the other? Also the fact that they are tapered at the end, does that make them weaker?

Thanks again for your time.

Guy
 
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The additional information you provide seems pretty solid.

-A single power source is nice but not necessary. Not using a hydraulic saw takes a LOT of the hydraulic design difficulties out of the way.
-If I were you I would PM KiotiKen to get his opinion on the 1' incline. I really have my doubts on that but as my wife likes to point out I have been wrong in the past.
-I don't remember seeing a weighted clamp or a winch drive in that way but with the right design it should work.
-The wedge is a difficult one to nail down. There is a lot of metal and a lot of welding there, you don't want to cut it back apart. I could see where having a progressive multi wedge where each set of wings are set back from lower set could help. Each step would pop before it engages the next yielding more pressure into each wedge as it splits. My only concern is that the log might open up or move around in unexpected ways. Hopefully others will chime in on this aspect.
-Our wings are angled forward and all engage at the same time This prevents the log from moving around / spreading out but requires more force to split. There is no need to have the tips of the wedge be as deep. You don't gain strength past a couple of inches because there is nothing behind them to provide support. That's why we tapered them.
 
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Yes, Ken had troubles with his chute after the splitter but that's the same method Wallenstien uses on their processors. Perhaps it's got to be designed "just right" for it to work. When I get to mine, hopefully later this summer, that's the method I plan on using and will just borrow ideas from their's
 

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