Pan Whats it worth?

[Bill Barrett]

What ya think?
Thanks

 

[Birdhunter1]

Are you buying or selling?
Is the cutting edge wore off or bent or gouged in lots of places?
Are there alot of non factory welds on it?

 

[AndyMA]

More than you think. I suspect you'd do well to get it at $2,000.

Andy

 

[Bill Barrett]

Are you buying or selling?
Is the cutting edge wore off or bent or gouged in lots of places?
Are there alot of non factory welds on it?

Maybe buy, blade is worn but still life in it, it is straight, and no nicks.
Lots of after market handy work,LOL. Not a issue I can deal with repairs as needed.

Thanks for the fast replies!

 

[Donman]

I'm trying to understand how this one works. It looks like this one dumps off the back considering the long un-extended cylinders on the sides-or are those just connectors? The cylinder on the tongue regulates cut depth and then also gives pan clearance for dumping? Simple design that way but not sure how good it works.

 

[ovrszd]

I'm trying to understand how this one works. It looks like this one dumps off the back considering the long un-extended cylinders on the sides-or are those just connectors? The cylinder on the tongue regulates cut depth and then also gives pan clearance for dumping? Simple design that way but not sure how good it works.

Good point. I can't figure it out either. there are no hydraulic hoses going to the side cylinders if that's what they are. Hmmmm.

 

[Tact]

I don't believe the long side arms are hydraulic. The shorter front angled arms are hydraulic and push the longer arms to the rear which dump the pan. You just can't see the hoses in the front because of the angle and sign. At least that's what it appears to me.

 

[MJPetersen]

It seems to me to be a single cylinder that drives a cross shaft that then pushes the round link tubes to lower and cut the ground and then dump out the back. That white sign backing hides what may be most interesting linkage information. If it is truly a single cyl which it appears and would be the simplest construction, I would not expect it to go for too much. But any dollar figure that I give would be pure guess work.

Mike

 

[Farmerford]

We used those a lot for waterways, terraces, etc. many years ago in south Georgia. Like an FEL, they don't dig into hard dirt very well (if at all), but a fairly small tractor can move a lot of loose dirt and spread it fairly smooth. Seems like we used Massey Ferguson 65 Diesels (50hp?) on dirt pans just a bit larger than that. The issue is not so much power as it is traction. If your tractor can push a FEL with a bucket that wide into loose earth, it should pull the pan as well.

There must be something on the rear crossmember that catches the edge of the back gate when the pan is rotated and lifts it away from the pan so that the material can slide off the back of the pan.

If the hydraulics and cutting edge are okay, there is not much left to worry about. I would probably pay $2,000 since you would spend nearly that much on parts alone to build one.

 

[DavidPerry]

It doesn't dump out the back. It rotates around the bearing you see on the side about 1 1/2 ft from from the rear. Cutting depth is handled by the 3pt. Fill it with dirt, then raise the front and drive it where you want. Remote hydraulics rotate the load upwards and it dump past the cutting edge.

 

[Donman]

I still say that the cutting edge looks too far ahead of the pivot point to dump out of the front. The pivot point on the pan would have to be at least 3 feet off the ground to dump clean and the short cylinder on the tongue does not look like it could do that. I'm trying to figure out the scrape marks on the side as to how it works.

 

[Donman]

I think I figured it out. I copied the pic and then zoomed in and saw that the back of the pan is mounted to the frame - sort of like a grader blade and the top rear of the pan is radiused so that the pan tips backward against the stationary blade which regulates the dump stream just ahead of the rear wheels. I never saw one built quite like this but it seems like a clever design using minimal hydraulics.

 

[RonR]

Donman, I agree.

Compress the cylinder and it digs. Extend the cylinder all the way and it dumps to the rear. That's what the wear marks on the sides tell me. It should hook to a drawbar, not a 3 pt.

ron

 

[Bill Barrett]

Donman, I agree.

Compress the cylinder and it digs. Extend the cylinder all the way and it dumps to the rear. That's what the wear marks on the sides tell me. It should hook to a drawbar, not a 3 pt.

ron

Sorry I haven't been back. I would say Rons description is how it works. I'll try to get over to talk to the owner next week.

 

[charlz]

Donman, I agree.

Compress the cylinder and it digs. Extend the cylinder all the way and it dumps to the rear. That's what the wear marks on the sides tell me. It should hook to a drawbar, not a 3 pt.

ron

Yep, definitely looks to go to a draw bar. The leverage to dump looks pretty poor. I guess a tractor strong enough to fill it would be strong enough to dump it.

 

[gabby]

I bought this bad boy for $1625
Self loading dirt scraper PTO driven approx. 6 yards - (eBay item 120148536447 end time Aug-11-07 12:05:04 PDT)

I missed another ebay pan that was 3-4 yards capacity that sold for $1335. It had double hydraulics, one for lifting and one for dumping, and it was more machine than the one you're looking at.

$2000 seems rich to me.

 

[MikeD74T]

I think I figured it out. I copied the pic and then zoomed in and saw that the back of the pan is mounted to the frame - sort of like a grader blade and the top rear of the pan is radiused so that the pan tips backward against the stationary blade which regulates the dump stream just ahead of the rear wheels. I never saw one built quite like this but it seems like a clever design using minimal hydraulics.

Donman, I think you nailed it. The back wall has sides that extend into the pan. Piston looks to be in the transport position in the pic. Retracted lowers the pan front to dig & extended tips the pan back to dump under the rear wall. Actual pan is open front & back. Can't figure whether there's another hidden side pivot or rear linkage to allow some tilting movement of the rear wall. The expanded pic clearly shows 2 pivot points on the far wall of the pan (I think). If there was ever an "I want it" item this is it. With a 20' tongue one could clean a good sized pond, back it in, lower the pan,and pull it out to a dump site. I'm thinking one could build one from a stretched loader bucket. MikeD74T

 

[Farmerford]

If I recall, the rear gate pivots on the same pins as the pan, and it is not rigidly connected to the pan. Weight keeps it closed when the pan is digging. When you first raise the pan for transport, the rear gate pivots along with the pan so that there is no opening for material so slide out the back. This lets you raise the front of the pan a foot or so to keep material from slipping out the front. Then when you raise the pan further to dump, the lip on the top rear edge of the rear gate contacts the rear crossmember and the rear gates stops rotating. The pan continues to rotate around the pivots (which are also turning inside the rear gate) and an opening is created between the bottom rear of the pan and the bottom lip of the rear gate to let material out. If you could not tip the pan into a "transport" position without opening the rear gate you could not carry much loose material like sand because the the bumping from the ride would shake much of it out the front lip of the pan.

 

[MikeD74T]

If I recall, the rear gate pivots on the same pins as the pan, and it is not rigidly connected to the pan. Weight keeps it closed when the pan is digging. When you first raise the pan for transport, the rear gate pivots along with the pan so that there is no opening for material so slide out the back. This lets you raise the front of the pan a foot or so to keep material from slipping out the front. Then when you raise the pan further to dump, the lip on the top rear edge of the rear gate contacts the rear crossmember and the rear gates stops rotating. The pan continues to rotate around the pivots (which are also turning inside the rear gate) and an opening is created between the bottom rear of the pan and the bottom lip of the rear gate to let material out. If you could not tip the pan into a "transport" position without opening the rear gate you could not carry much loose material like sand because the the bumping from the ride would shake much of it out the front lip of the pan.

Would the lip that contacts the rear frame be adjustable to control the height of the lower edge of the gate? I'm thinking some fill might not flow immediately or smoothly and thus need to be leveled by the gate edge. MikeD74T

 

[MikeD74T]

Bill, were you able to buy this pan???? MikeD74T