Older Mule 500 questions

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I just bought a 95 Kawasaki Mule 500 for around the house and it runs great but seems really low on power. Having never been in one before I was wondering if something wrong or that is just how it is. It will pull me up a steep hill, but at about 3 mph max and it seems like it is almost wanting to stall. I notice the engine is not screaming or anything, just sounds bogged down. I checked the valves today and they are now set correctly (I believe) but did notice the muffler has a hole in it and I will be replacing it asap even though it is very quiet still. I know this is a broad question but trying to get an idea what to expect. Right now i don't think it would be able to pull me (150lbs) and another 150 lbs up a good hill. I don't think the belt is slipping (don't hear anything). I did notice there is a wee little bit of valve noise (VERY minor) but again don't know if that is normal. Thanks for any help you can offer.
 
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We have a 550 and it doesn't have much power either. I made a drag and the mule wouldn't pull it. I think the engine is a Kawasaki 10 horse industrial. Runs great and has 900+ hours with no issue. Ten years old. It will go about 20 on flat ground which is fast enough.
 
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I just bought a 95 Kawasaki Mule 500 for around the house and it runs great but seems really low on power. Having never been in one before I was wondering if something wrong or that is just how it is. It will pull me up a steep hill, but at about 3 mph max and it seems like it is almost wanting to stall. I notice the engine is not screaming or anything, just sounds bogged down. I checked the valves today and they are now set correctly (I believe) but did notice the muffler has a hole in it and I will be replacing it asap even though it is very quiet still. I know this is a broad question but trying to get an idea what to expect. Right now i don't think it would be able to pull me (150lbs) and another 150 lbs up a good hill. I don't think the belt is slipping (don't hear anything). I did notice there is a wee little bit of valve noise (VERY minor) but again don't know if that is normal. Thanks for any help you can offer.

The belt doesn't always make noise when it's slipping, but it does usually smoke a little. However, the symptom you describe can also be caused by worn out clutch springs and/or sliders and ramps. Worn springs will allow the clutch faces to spread apart sooner than they should. This can either cause the drive ratio to be too high (bogging), or cause the drive clutch to not grab the belt in the correct low ratio (ultra low or slipping). Unfortunately, there's not an easy way to check the specs on these unless you pull things apart.

If I confused you, think about the clutches like the gears on a 10 speed bike. When you are on a flat road, you put the chain on a big sprocket in the front and a small sprocket in the back. But going up hill, or starting off, you'd put the chain on a small sprocket up front and a big sprocket in back. The Mule's clutches do this all by themselves. If the springs are shot on the back (driven) clutch, it's like putting the chain on a big sprocket up front and a small sprocket in the rear. You can probably still peddle, but it's really hard.

Here a pretty good video of these types of clutches in action.
How cvt clutches work - YouTube

Good luck.

NV
 
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Pretty much the way they are, my father in law bought one new in the early 90's and it is still going. It has always been as you describe yours. We now own it, but keep it on our flat land farm with a subsequent 550. If we needed to go up a steep hill two up, someone was going to have to help push about halfway up.

We replaced it on our hill farms with a Rhino, but will never get rid of the Mules, they run forever or so it seems.
 
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THANKS for the info!!!!!!

I really like the little thing a LOT! Would like to get a little more grunt out of it if possible. Is it hard to replace the springs in the clutch (need any special tools?) I have replaced a belt on a Rhino before so I am guessing it is the same concept. I really don't care about the speed of it much at but would like a little more power if possible. I just am not sure if I should buy springs or get a new "Clutch" - I seen they are about $200 which I hate to spend but if it would give it more grunt it would be worth it too me. Anyone make a clutch kit for it? I have a RZR4 for "riding" so we just are using the mule for the garden, taking garbage out (cans are a ½ mile from the house at the end of the driveway) and little jobs. May take it hunting if I can get a bit more power out of it as I not too sure it will make it up a few of the small mountains (traction would be fine but power if the real question)?
I am taking it that the Mule 500's engine was used in a bunch of other Kawasaki products? Am I right one this? I also noticed there is not a whole lot online about them for some reason - anyone have a good resource for them. I already bought the service Manual so I am good there, would just like to read more and learn more about them. This little bugger is starting to make me want to get an old diesel mule for working in the woods!!!
Thanks again for all the help and information.
 
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Did a little work on the Mule and it spiced it up a wee little bit. Adjusted the valves and put a new exhaust on and that seemed to make some very minor improvements. I did notice the only real "noise" I now have is the motor and valves (just a minor amount). I ordered all new brakes as I notices the front right is sticking a little and may order some new springs from the tranny, just not sure if I need an entire clutch or just springs.
 
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and may order some new springs from the tranny, just not sure if I need an entire clutch or just springs.

Before ordering parts for the converter system, I highly recommend pulling the cover and inspecting the belt and clutches. It's possible that something other than, or in addition to, the springs may need replacing (ramp, sliders, etc).

Good luck,
NV
 
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Thanks NV - never really worked on the belt systems or clutches other than changing a belt once so there a little new to me. Any advise on what to look for when i open it up? Is changing them out a hard process? So far everything on it seems rather simple! I don't mind throwing a little money at the Mule if needed as my wife has been running it all over the place and getting a ton of use out of it.
THANKS
 
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Thanks NV - never really worked on the belt systems or clutches other than changing a belt once so there a little new to me. Any advise on what to look for when i open it up? Is changing them out a hard process? So far everything on it seems rather simple! I don't mind throwing a little money at the Mule if needed as my wife has been running it all over the place and getting a ton of use out of it.
THANKS

If you're gonna keep your Mule for a while, I usually suggest getting the factory service manual for it. They're usually not too bad price wise. And they have all the service procedures for this kind of stuff....

I've never worked on the 500 before, but it's probably similar to what I have worked on. The cover should come off pretty easy, but you might have to remove other stuff first. Maybe the exhaust or something.

Once the cover is off, there will be a center bolt for each clutch. They have special tools for holding the clutches, but you can usually get them out using an impact, or using a strap wrench to hold them. Normally you take both clutches off to remove the belt, but you can usually 'walk' the belt off of them.

Once the center bolts are out, you might need the clutch puller to get the drive clutch off the crankshaft. The driven clutch (on the tranny) usually comes off with some wiggling or light tapping with a soft faced mallet. The drive clutch is usually on pretty good, but I have had them come off easily as well. The 4010's have a tapered shaft on the crankshaft and a straight shaft on the transmission input shaft.

Looking at this page: OEM Parts : Babbitts Kawasaki Parts House

It looks like the 500 has a a straight shaft with a woodruff key for the tranny input shaft and the crankshaft is tapered and also uses a key, so getting them off might be more difficult....

Once you get them off, inspect the driven clutch. Some play may be present rotationally on the sheaves, but usually not too much. I usually see wear on the the shoes (black arrow), the ramp (red arrow) or on the ramps on the movable sheave (green arrow).


500_driven.JPG

Some wear is normal (the service manual has wear limits for each part), but a lot of times I see the shoes and ramp worn way down, sometimes allowing metal to metal contact. If these parts are worn badly, the movable sheave doesn't push out all the way towards the fixed sheave. This lets the belt drop down between them and allows the belt to ride up in the drive clutch, effectively putting you in a higher gear. A weak spring will also allow this. If the ramp or movable sheave is damaged or worn too badly, I'd recommend replacing the clutch because of the price of the individual parts. If it's just the spring or shoes, then replace them. Taking the clutch apart looks to be pretty easy, but again, I've never worked on a 500 before.

For the drive clutch.... I've never taken one apart. They have special tools for this.... I've only ever just replaced them. Because of logistics here, we just order both and replace instead of trying to repair....but then I'm not paying for parts here.... :laughing:

The drive clutch has fly weights that swing out as RPM goes up, and springs in the spider assembly to force the clutches apart at lower RPM's or higher load requirements. If the springs are weak, they'll let the sheave faces come together sooner, again raising the gearing when you really need it to be lower.

I normally recommend replacing the belt along with the clutches, but if you do reuse it, be sure to look it over carefully. Typical belt inspection includes making sure it isn't glazed, ripped, torn, missing pieces, cracked, etc. Remember, the belt on these things transfers power using the sloped sides of the belt, not the inside face. Also, if there's any trace of oil on the belt, replace it. You'll never get a belt to be oil free again....

If everything looks good and you just reuse everything, I'll take some emery cloth and break any glazing on the faces of the sheaves and the sides of the belt. Be sure to clean them afterwards with something oil-free.... brake cleaner, or just alcohol.....the sheaves I mean, don't use anything except a clean rag on the belt.

When reinstalling the clutches, don't over do the torque. The 4010's use medium locktite and are only 60 ft/lbs each. If you don't get a service manual for it, you might call a dealer and see if they can give you the spec for this. These are bolts you definitely don't want to break off.... so I wouldn't use an impact on them....

It very well could be that everything is fine and working correctly, and the 500 just isn't a powerhouse. :laughing: I know my 610 isn't one either, but I've climbed some pretty good hills with it... it slows way down with full power, but I've never had to back down anything yet....

Oh ya, if/when you order parts, be sure to give them the correct model number for your Mule.... I just pick the KAF300-B2 at random for the parts diagrams...

NV
 
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NV - THANK YOU!

I got the service manual so with your information and knowledge I don't think it will be a big deal at all.
I am planning on hanging on it as a second vehicle for my wife. She absolutely love the size of it and the fact it is easier to drive than a go cart!
'I have all new brake for it sitting in my shop now and the new bearing. Figured the brakes are not too hot so I would start with replacing the shoes and changing the fluid then see where I am at.
With what you explained I am thinking I may have some wear in the clutches - that would make a lot of sense. I will be tearing that down and checking on it. Have a lot of traveling to do for work in the upcoming weeks but when I get some time it sounds like it will not be a bad job at all.

On another note, my wife and I were out today and swung by the Kawasaki shop and looked at the new Mule. All I can say is WOW! it is really really nice. I love the seating for six that folds up and gives a huge bed! Everything is very well thought out and HD. From the A arms to the bed itself, it is extremely well built and SOLID.
We both really liked it and are thinking pretty hard about selling our RZR4 and buying one for a family off road vehicle. We spend a bunch of time down at my friends farm and often am hauling stuff back and forth and the Mule really would fit the build far better than the RZR......

Again, thank you for the information and help! I have some learning to do and answers like your really make the process much easier.
 

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