Oil filter on 1025R

[RalphVa]

Anyone else experiencing oil filter leakage on their 1025R?

I remember that I had to give the filter another little bit of rotation when I changed the oil @ 50 hours. Now, it's leaking again @ 115. I gave it another bit of rotation using a leather glove this time and cleaned up everything.

Thinking I may just do another oil change. May be something wrong with the filter.

Only time I EVER had an oil filter leak was on our 1965 Valiant when I followed the instructions. Found out instructions on them aren't worth squat. Ever since, I've been tightening them as tight as I can hand tight. Has worked for the last 50 years.

Ralph

 

[bigtiller]

If that's the original filter, Hercules must have had the day off when your tractor was built. Normally, they are on so tight you'd think they were spun on with an air wrench and held in place with Gorilla Glue. But if it stops leaking with hand torque i wouldn't worry about it until the next oil change and then give everything a good look for a burr or something under the seal.

 

[RalphVa]

I got 4 new filters today: 2 fuel, oil & outer air.

If it doesn't quit leaking with this last tightening, I'm changing it and oil.

Can't really get a wrench on there to tighten it. The "finger" wrench I use to take them off (fits on end of my 3/8 drive) doesn't do tightening.

Ralph

 

[RalphVa]

Changed the oil and filter again. I swear the new oil filter was not leaking after I changed it and the oil again. Now an hour or two's operation, it is leaking again.

On this one, I completely greased the whole oil filter rubber seal, taking it off and greasing it both sides with white lithium grease.

Have informed the sales person that maybe I have a lemon.

Ralph

 

[beenthere]

May be leaking above the filter and just runs across the filter making a bit deceiving. What is above the filter that may be leaking?

 

[KennyG]

When you took the filter off, did you verify that the seating surface on the engine was smooth and clean? If it is, the only thing I can think of is that something slipped and threaded the mounting shaft crooked into the engine or the surface was machined at the wrong angle. beenthere has a good thought but I don't think there is anything on the Yanmar engine above it could leak. I would put the dealership on notice that they need to fix it and maybe put a square on the filter mounting surface to see if it's square with the threaded mounting bolt.

 

[s219]

This is jogging my memory -- I think someone else posted with an oil filter problem on a 1025/1026 and had to replace the threaded part of the filter mount. I believe it will screw out and can be replaced separately. Don't remember what their issue was or the cause. Might be worth some time searching.

 

[RalphVa]

Hmm. I went to the dealership yesterday and bought another oil filter and collared the mechanic who has been coming to work on it at my house. He advised using a cup wrench to tighten it 1/2 turn after snugging it up by hand to the block. I bought one of the cup wrenches.

Came home and removed the filter. Inspected it carefully, oiled the gasket and put it back on, per his instructions. Couldn't tell whether it was leaking yesterday. Moved it today and got it in the sun with block and all nice and clean. Appeared to have oil welling up between the filter and the block surface around the gasket, not running out and down yet, just welling there.

I removed the filter and put the new one on. Oh, the **** cup wrench is no good for removal. Used my finger type wrench which removes but doesn't tighten.

If this one still leaks, I'm driving it (yes, driving it) over to the dealership. They've tried to charge me twice now a service charge of $97.90 when they stopped and replaced something on warranty. After being forgiven by the sales person twice and been lectured twice about it, I'll drive the **** thing over there and left them find out what the problem is. Still on warranty until July 17th.

Wondering what Kubota's thing is about warranty coverage. Are service calls included or just parts and repair person's time?

Ralph

 

[RalphVa]

No drips; no runs; no errors. Everything looks crystal black, like new now after starting it and running it a little bit. This is all I've ever done in the past when changing oil filters. I've NEVER EVER warmed an engine completely up and then checked for oil leakage before.

Changed the oil filter on the JD 4010 9 or 10 times just doing my usual tight-as-I-can-by-hand technique I've been using for 50 years. Never ever had a problem with it. It's virtually identical to the 1025R except for 6 less hp.

Ralph

 

[RalphVa]

Well, not fixed. Here's my latest note to the JD place:

I'll be driving the 1025 over to New Virginia Tractor on Monday for my wife to pick me up at lunch. It's still on warranty until the 17th of July.

The filter I'd changed @ 114 hours wouldn't stop leaking; so, I put a new one on (bought when I last saw you) and followed the directions W.C. told me using the cup wrench that I bought there. (The cup wrenches tighten but they're no good for removal.) Initially, it didn't leak after I started it and checked for leakage my usual method for 50 years, not really warming it up.

I'd run it down the hill just after this and parked it in its garage. This morning when I went to fire it up to run it down the hill again, there was oil on the underside of the filter.

Here's the history:

o Changed oil and filter at 50 hours doing what I normally did on the 4010 for around 9 or 10 times (and its filter placement, etc. is almost identical to that on the 1025). (I've been changing my own oil and filter on our vehicles since about age 16. Only issue was first spin-on filter on our 1965 Valiant. Followed the directions on the box. No good. Ever since, I just spun the new gasket against the old, oily one and tightened as tight as I could by hand.)
o After W.C. came and rescued me with the fuel solenoid, I noticed oil on the garage floor and a wet oil pan on the side of the filter @ 114 hours.
o Bought a new filter. Tightened the filter changed @ 50 hours another 1/4 turn using a leather glove. Still leaked. So, I changed the oil and filter the way I'd been doing them for 57 years: hand tight as tight as I could. This one I smeared white lithium on both sides of the gasket first.
o Bought the other filter that's now on it. Removed the one on it, oiled up both sides of the gasket and put it on with the cup wrench a 1/2 turn after hand tight. It still leaked. Put on the current filter to story above.

Think there may be a history on TractorByNet of someone with a 1025 having to have the part that the filter screws onto removed and replaced. Maybe that's what the problem is. I've felt around above the filter. No oil there. There's an oil pressure sending unit to the left and slightly above the filter. Couldn't feel any oil underneath the injection pump.

ANOTHER factory mistake?

Oh, I sent him another note to forward to the service people lest I forget when I get there. The air cleaner housing is missing a strap to hold it in place. Never been one there.

Seriously considering swapping for a Kubota B. Their other location in Orange sells Kubotas. There's another Kubota dealer here in town, too. Might consider the JD 2025, as it has 2 side brakes that I'd like to have back (4010 had them), but it's the exact same engine as on the 1025R. Maybe the assembly people will have had their eyes open when they assembled it.

Ralph