No Fuel then No Crank

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jp2code

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Longview, TX [USA]
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Kubota BX2200 and L4400DT
I spent the day out on my Kubota L4400DT mowing pasture, about 10 hours all together.

I get back in, add 5 more gallons of diesel to the tank as it was down to about 1/2, greased all of the joints, and my dad thinks there is water in the fuel filter.

So, I turned the petcock off at the filter, turned it off, and realized it was just how the filter sat at the bottom of the float.

We cleaned it out anyway because there was a little gunk in the bottom, then put it back on.

Cranked the tractor and I was driving it over to the barn when the engine started idling down lower and lower until it died.

No fuel. I guess I got air in the lines.

We tried cranking it over and over, but it would not start. We hooked it to my dad's truck and pulled it down the road with the transmission in 4H. The power steering and hydraulics were working fine, but the engine just would NOT crank.

We pulled the tractor back home, and dad tries his trick of putting a rag soaked with gasoline in the intake. When I tried cranking, it knocked a little, but still refused to crank.

I took the fuel filter off again, and double checked that we reassembled it correctly. Diesel seems to flow in and out of there just fine, so I guess it has to be air in the system. Right?

We were still trying to crank it when all of a sudden it would not crank either. It was like one of the safety switches (like having the transmission in Neutral or the switch that detects when you are in the seat) was preventing power from getting to the starter.

There are 3 fuses by the battery: Main, Key Switch, and Key Off. All 3 fuses looked fine.

We fiddled around with the Neutral switch. It seemed OK.

We toggled the switch under the seat. It seemed fine.

I flipped the PTO switch On and Off, but that didn't make any difference either.

I've got a workshop manual for it, but all it seems to cover are really big things like engine overhaul. As soon as I locate my owners manual, I'm going to see if there was something silly I missed with the fuel filter.

So, I have 2 questions:

First, how can I get this engine to turn over? How do I find what is preventing the starter from turning over? Safety switches like that are such a bother when they prevent you from getting something done.

Second, how can I get fuel to the injectors so the engine will crank?

Old pic, but this is the tractor:

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   / No Fuel then No Crank
  • Thread Starter
#2  
Looks like we neglected to open the Air Vent Cock...

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  • Thread Starter
#3  
What are the chances that I blew this relay at #7?

We were doing a lot of cranking!

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   / No Fuel then No Crank #5  
Get test lamp and use it to check if you are getting power to relay or starter solenoid....

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Petty simple to use, put alligator clip to good ground source, If lamp lights you have power to circuit, if lamp does not light you have no power....

Dale
 
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   / No Fuel then No Crank #6  
What are the chances that I blew this relay at #7?

We were doing a lot of cranking!

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Most relays can easily be tested with a multimeter; many actually have the schematic printed on them. Yank it and see.
 
   / No Fuel then No Crank #7  
Check for current directly at the starter solenoid small wire then work back. This rules out the starter first saving you chasing your tail.

For the fuel issue you must pull a line from the lift pump, it is right behind the fuel injection pump and has 2 rubber hoses going to it. It most definitely got air locked. Once you get fuel moving through the lift pump your machine should start enough to open the fuel bleed valve to finish bleeding the fuel system.

Good luck, you'll get it sorted in no time.
 
   / No Fuel then No Crank #9  
Electrical trouble shooting 101, start with a known good and fully charged battery. Pull the battery, put it on a charger and charge until it is reading greater than 12.6 volts (rested). Then take the battery to your local big box auto parts emporium and have it load tested for free.

Once you know you have a good battery, trouble shooting can begin.

Trust me, I've seen too many just chase their tail trying to trouble shoot an electrical problem only to find the battery was bad. And, I've seen NEW batteries bad.
 
   / No Fuel then No Crank
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#10  
How would I find the Starter Relay?

The tractor is cranking fine now. That fuel cock seemed to be the big issue. The starter relay issue appears to be intermittent. Really hard to find, and frustrating when it doesn't go.

The tractor has been working it's butt off lately. Horrible Thorn Trees (link) are wreaking havoc on the tires. I've had 3 flats so far.

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Got stuck once.

Sort of my own fault, though. I had cut down the edges of the hill so that I could get over the creek, made it across, and spotted my front tire was low enough that it was about to come off the rim again. I hobbled it back to the truck, then took the tire up to get repaired. The next day, I thought I could get across that creek like I did the day before, but I didn't count on the fact that all of that dirt I had piled in there was now filled/soaked with water. It was a big, soft mud pit.

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The bucket could lift the front tires, but not enough. The rear tires were in the "downhill slope" area, so even with the bucket lifting the front end, the rear tires could not get any traction. I had to call on the aid of another tractor.

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Here is a picture of the mud hole from the other side.

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