New Idea 5209 moco

[ddelawaredale]

I bought a 5209 mo co 2 years ago and I have been trying to figure it out ever since. In my opinion it doesn't cut as cleanly as my old New Holland. In grass hay I have to slow down the RPM's or it seems to blow the stuff down in front of the blades and pass over it. In rank alfalfa that is down it just will not cut it cleanly. Does any one have any tricks that I haven't tried. I've adjusted the curtain changed to the high angle blades and back. I'm just not thrilled with it, I was told discbines cut alot faster and cleaner than the old haybines. I think I was the victim of hype.

 

[Indydirtfarmer]

I'm not familiar with that model, so I reserve judgement until I see one in action.... But, I've seen several other brands of discbines in the field, as well as having a disc mower myself (NH). I've never seen a disc mower that WON'T out cut (speed-wise) a sickle mower/conditioner.

Did you buy it from a dealer? Or an individual? If dealer, I'd go back to them to complain a little. Maybe they could (or YOU could) contact a NI rep for some set-up advice.

Just thinking out loud...... No real good advice here.

Good luck.

 

[slowzuki]

There is little to no alfalfa here but I'm told that haybines are still sold to some alfalfa growers, so I suspect others have had problems too.

www.ytmag.com in the implements section there is a wealth of knowledge.

Tips I've heard for downed forage, drive opposite of the lay to help, or even crossways.

Have you adjusted the cutter bed angle? I know the NI's bar is a bit thicker due to the gear drive. In smooth ground you can adjust it pretty steep and help a bit. If the ground is rocky you may lose more blades this way.

Generally running at pto speed is supposed to give the max suction on disc bines for lifting grass.

Do you have the extra think skids installed? Some people put these on in rocky ground to reduce impacts. It does reduce the cutting ability in downed hay.

Hope this helps. Dealer would know best though.

 

[ddelawaredale]

Yeah I've tried adjusting the angle to the point of shaving the ground but was damaging the crop. I'm not saying a cutter bar is faster I just think having a pick up reel does a better job. The discbine feeds wet grass alot better it just doesn't cut as clean.

 

[5030]

We have a NH discbine and a JD MoCo. I use the discbine on first cut and the MoCo on subsequent cuts. Problem with the MoCo is that it will plug on heavy first cut so your ground speed has to be slower.

As a rule of thumb and many acres of experience, I run the cutterbar in the median notch as far as knife angle goes. I have an SCH cutter bar which can be specified on any make of machine as an option. SCH is superior (in my and others opinion) as to performance and changeout plus SCH makes a roller bearing back support that eliminates the cutter to back support sliding wear.

I run the MoCo at around 500 rpm, PTO and my ground speed varies between 3.5 to 5.5 mph depending on crop density. I run my reel in the agressive tine position and that's adjustable with the side cam plate. You absolutely have to watch the crop progress through the crimp rolls and keep them as full as possible. The trick is to crowd the cutter bar so there is a continuous flow of material to the rolls. I always watch the material flow either in the mirror or out the back window as well as windrow formation and deflector plate position. The discbine isn't as critical, but a discbine can suffer heavy driveline damage from rocks and trash hidden in the hayfield whereas the cutterbar might loose a knife or guard which can be cheaply replaced. Both machines have their positives and negatives. The discbine is initially more expensive and can be far more expensive to maintain especially if a disc unit gets damaged. The cutterbar style is initially less expensive and sectional replacement is cost effective. I personally prefer the sickle conditioner for after first cut. I seem to have much more control as to the cut quality as well as placement of product with the MoCo versus the discbine. Also, a discbine will take at least 3 times the PTO power to run as a cutterbar mower.

 

[peyton]

i am right now looking a new idea 5209 and i was needing to know what year it was, i have the serial number... it is 1887 so if any body knows what it is please let me know asap, thanks!

 

[civesnedfield]

Sounds like a suction problem/crop lifting problem. NH has a an add on option called a crop lifter. It mounts on top of the turtles thru the blade bolt holes. There are two per turtle. I have looked at New Idea's part catalogue and they don't seem to offer any thing like this.

The folks that do the fields across from mine have a 5209 and they don't seem to have that kind of problem. Have you tried to change ground speed??

Only other suggestion would be to talk to a dealer.

 

[Barry Bowen]

This is a very old post that seems to have gotten some recent interest.

Haybines with the sickle bar leave a very smooooooth surface. This is simple the result of what they are, one long cutting blade.

Discbine, no mater who makes them, height is determined mostly by the angle of the cutter bar. Since the cutter bar is made of idividual mower heads, as they are tilted forward, they leave what appears to be a scolloped surface. This is just they way they are. It will grow back fine, IF it is not cut too close for the specific crop.

Discbines are ment to run at a good ground speed. Go too slow and they do not work well. They need a good amount of material going through them to work well and not blow down the crop. Personally I have been running an old 5209 for about 10 years and get fine results. No the field is not as pretty as a haybine right after it is done. Yes it does miss a little here and there, usually where it is thinner. Couple tricks, normally keep the ground speed up. As long as you have the HP to turn it, you will not chock the machine. (In 10 years I have wrapped the bottom roller once in really really tall grass where I had slowed down going down a hill ) You want atleast 5 MPH or better. I normally cut around 7-8 MPH in most conditions as long as the field is smooth enough. With lighter crops like 3rd or later alfalfa, pick up ground speed a little and lower PTO speed ( go up a gear and drop engine RPM) especially down hill. Up hill and flat, hammer down again. Biggest problem I have seen, and had with mine was when I ran it too slow.

 

[RickB]

This is a very old post that seems to have gotten some recent interest.

Haybines with the sickle bar leave a very smooooooth surface. This is simple the result of what they are, one long cutting blade.

Discbine, no mater who makes them, height is determined mostly by the angle of the cutter bar. Since the cutter bar is made of idividual mower heads, as they are tilted forward, they leave what appears to be a scolloped surface. This is just they way they are. It will grow back fine, IF it is not cut too close for the specific crop.

Discbines are ment to run at a good ground speed. Go too slow and they do not work well. They need a good amount of material going through them to work well and not blow down the crop. Personally I have been running an old 5209 for about 10 years and get fine results. No the field is not as pretty as a haybine right after it is done. Yes it does miss a little here and there, usually where it is thinner. Couple tricks, normally keep the ground speed up. As long as you have the HP to turn it, you will not chock the machine. (In 10 years I have wrapped the bottom roller once in really really tall grass where I had slowed down going down a hill ) You want atleast 5 MPH or better. I normally cut around 7-8 MPH in most conditions as long as the field is smooth enough. With lighter crops like 3rd or later alfalfa, pick up ground speed a little and lower PTO speed ( go up a gear and drop engine RPM) especially down hill. Up hill and flat, hammer down again. Biggest problem I have seen, and had with mine was when I ran it too slow.

Machines with flail conditioners are less problematic in light, thin crop beecause airflow under the shielding is with the direction of crop flow, not against it. Roll conditioners act just like a gear pump and push air forward.

 

[AKfish]

Machines with flail conditioners are less problematic in light, thin crop beecause airflow under the shielding is with the direction of crop flow, not against it. Roll conditioners act just like a gear pump and push air forward.

Hmm.. that's interesting! Did not think about the function in that way - at all.

(I know... after spending 2-3 hours with a pocket knife cutting jammed hay off the roller - I thought about driving it in the ditch to see how it might work down there!! :laughing

After experiencing that - I pay alot of attention towards how the crop is feeding and looking out for especially wet, heavy wind-blown areas of the fields, too.

AKfish