New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues

   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues #1  

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I'm having an issue where my new holland ran out of diesel and it gave me a bunch of issues blowing blue smoke and lack of power.replaced the fuel filter and fuel pump.got it working for about 3 days.Now all of a sudden same issues and the new pump screen was gloged with black dirt /plastic particles.Ant suggestions on what it could be?Thanks Steve 20170824_121933.jpg
 
   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues #2  
If it's a new machine I would guess plastic from the manufacturing / installation process. A neighbor's mower had this issue with black plastic from the tank that was in the filter, and somehow got past to the carb (gas engine).
In any case, best to "go big" with diesel contamination and drain the fuel, flush, replace filters etc...
Best of luck
 
   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues
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Thank for the info,The tractor is a diesel and it's a 2004 I've had it for a few years and never had a problem until now
 
   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues #4  
Hello im new here, been lurking for a bit and decided to join.

I have the same tractor with similar issue. It was my dads tractor bought new in 2000 or 2001 and i inherited it, it sat from 2019 until earlier this year. I took it and went to bush hog and it made it up one hill and it died.

I figured it was out of fuel so i went and got 10 gal of diesel and put in it. It wouldnt crank back after and i had to use ether and a battery charger to get it going again. I finished mowing around 10 acres and it "ran out" again before i was done, so i went and got another 10 gal of diesel and ethered it back to running.

It finally got to where it wouldnt crank and run at all, even with either so i started taking fuel lines off and checking to see if they were blocked going to the tank. They were clear, so I got to looking at the fuel pump and seen the little lid on top so i removed it and that round screen was totally caked up with this nasty rust looking crud, i dont see how any diesel ever got through it. Now it will crank and run for a week or so but it eventually almost dies or does and i have to clean the fuel pump screen bc it will be caked with this rusty red stuff every time.

I remember dad had an issue with the tractor in 2012 with it missing and sputtering so he sent the injector pump off and had it rebuilt and turned up just a hair, and he claimed it fixed it, thought i remember him asking me once if i thought the tractor sounded like it was still missing and though i thought i could hear a light flappy sound, i told him no since he had worked on it for like a month. Im not sure if he did anything to the fuel pump screen, he did put a new filter kit in.

The injector pump shop told him he should drop the fuel tank and do a bunch of cleaning when he got the pump back bc of what they found inside it but he was already declining in health and the tank looks tough to drop so he figured it would be ok to just change the filters and leave it be.

Ive put new filters on it ($$!), put some stuff in the tank thats supposed to clean it, and i got it running halfway good, but it still sputters if you stab the throttle hard and sometimes it just crackles and pops and wont max the rpms out, and i can see a orange flame and smoke at the exhaust pipe when its pulling hard bush hogging (i took a pic to show a buddy bc it looked cool lol), and i dont think it has very much power, it struggles to hold its own in 4th gear high, its basically unuseable unless going downhill.

I been pulling a 10 ft fred cain bush hog and it doesnt like it at all, its like im using way to small a tractor for its size, i always have to downshift if i hit a hill or itll bog out.

Im gonna pull the injectors and take them apart and clean the holes in the end next, it smokes pretty bad in any kind of a pull and ive made sure its clean at least to the injector pump. It started its crap again last night and almost died in the field and i managed to get it back home before it completely died and i know the little screen at the fuel pump is clogged again so ill have to clean it before i finish bush hogging today.

I guess the question i have here, is this gonna keep happening? I fig it would eventually run all the red crud out of the tank if i keep on using it frequently and adding the fuel tank stabilizer stuff. It wasnt cheap and its a 2 bottle system for both cleaning and removing water and stuff. If not, i may sell the tractor bc i dont see myself getting the floor pan off. Everything is rusty and i already broke a seat bolt trying to loosen it to get the seat freed up so it would slide again (the handle broke off the seat adjuster).
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   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues #5  
That's a lot of crud. I don't often see that much rusty buildup coming from a plastic tank. Most often I see it on tractors with steel tanks that are in bad shape.

Don't pull the injectors. That won't help, and certainly taking them apart and "cleaning" them will just make things worse.

Were the photos taken when you first opened things up when the issue appeared after a period of prolonged non use, or was that after you cleaned it all out once?

There should be a plug near the bottom front of the tank. If you can keep it running long enough to run most of the fuel out you can remove the plug, drain and quick flush it with a gallon or so of clean fuel to see how much crud will rinse out. While the tank is empty, remove the hose from the outlet fitting (which will be in that area) and remove the fitting itself. I've seen them deteriorate into a rusty mess.They are still available I believe. Dropping and cleaning that tank would be an undertaking. One I wouldn't look forward to.
 
   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues #6  
When I first had it die on me on the hill and it kept giving me problems cranking I was thinking something in the tank was clogged so i pulled the line off the fitting on the bottom of the tank, thinking it was a pick up and once i saw fuel flowing out, i put it back and moved on to the filter since i kept unscrewing the water drain on it and nothing would come out during times the tractor wouldnt crank.

Later on i pulled the fuel pump screen and thats when i took the pic. It take it several runs but it will eventually get enough of that crud back on the screen that it starts starving it out again and i have to try to make it back before it quits in the middle of nowhere. The fuel gauge quit working on it back before 2010 and dad was good at knowing when it needed fuel and never ran it out, whereas im not sure if ive actually ran it out or its just been clogging up bc i always put at least 5 gal in it every time before i run it and also when it dies just in case since i dont know how much is in it.

The fuel cap got stolen back in the day as well, dad was working at another farm and he was leaving it parked at the road and one morning the fuel cap was gone, chain and all. Dad was furious bc i remember he paid like $40 for a replacement. I wouldnt doubt whoever stole the cap threw a bunch of crap down the tank just bc ppl can be a-holes. I was thinking the same as you about how much crud was showing up in the screen with a plastic tank, at first i thought maybe the crud was what was left of the fuel gauge sending unit all rusted and turned into the crud (i was just guessing), but theres so much that now i dont know.

The reason i was thinking something was wrong with the injectors is the sputtering and low power, it will still sputter at WOT right after i clean the fuel pump screen and also, im not sure but is it supposed to have a flame coming out the exhaust pipe when its pulling hard, or ever? I was thinking i had an injector dripping or something similar to cause that but maybe im just noticing it now that im driving it myself and looking towards it all the time.

I have to go to town to get a inner tube patch for the front tire and once ive got that done im gonna pull the fuel pump screen and spray it out so i can finish bush hogging then ill be done for a bit and have time to work on it and ill try to flush the tank and drain it out the bottom fitting.
 
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Also I suggest you remove the inlet banjo fitting from the lift pump when you get time. Pull the fitting out of the hose and clean both the fitting and the holes through the bolt itself. That's always a gathering point for debris when the system has this much trash in it.
 
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I take both sides off each time i clean the screen and i spray them and the inside if the bolts out with cleaner before i put them back. if i left them on, i couldnt get the crud out of the bowl or whatever it is that holds the screen without it going out a line.

Also one time when i was working on it, I took compressed air and blew air back into the tank from where the line connects to the lift pump. I had the fuel tank lid off and heard it making gurgling sounds so i know it isnt totally stopped up, it may be restricted but its not clogged there.
 
   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues #9  
I've seen the metal inside the fuel cap eaten away. Fuel gauge senders nearly rusted out completely. Fuel outlet fittings as well. All that can contribute to rusty buildup as you're finding it. I would certainly work on emptying the tank, removing anything I could from the bottom and rinsing it as best I could with fuel. I think you should be able to get a lot of that stuff out that way.
 
   / New Holland Tn65D Fuel issues #10  
I got done bush hogging just a while ago, i found a bunch of the same cranberry looking crud inside the lift pump again before i started so i took the lines off and pulled the screen, sprayed it all out, put it back and fueled it up and tractor fired up and ran fine for a while. As i was coming back however, it began to get weak and started to sputter and pop again if the throttle was mashed quicky....

I just realized that i may be running it almost out of fuel each time i run it tbh, i put a little over 12 gallons in it and ran it wide open up and down hills pulling the bush hog for around 2 hours straight, and i think i remember dad saying it used like 7 gallons per hour wide open. Its possible that im bringing this on myself by running it that low with so much crud inside the tank. I may just pull the line on the bottom and let it all drain out, even if it is a little more bc its ruined anyways if its got that much crap in it that i stop the lift pump screen every time i run it low.

Ill report back once i get around to draining the tank, the tractor isnt needed for a month so ill have plenty of time to flush it out the best i can.
 
 

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