NEW CK30 HST or GEAR

   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #1  

Dirt_Works

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First post to the site and have been having great fun soaking up all the stuff from the forums in the Kioti section. I was in the process of spec'ing out a Blue tractor TC 33 or 35 when my small country dealer was visited by a "new sales rep" yes you guessed it right KIOTI. After a visit to their factory he told me I might want to hold off until he got a couple of these for me to look at. Two showed up a DK 35 and 45.....I was sold from the get go. Then the CK started showing up .....DECISION DECISIONS..... Now a 30 HP CK ok enough already a man can only take so much. I have a landscaping business and I want to expand and add my first compact tractor to the stable. I have followed many forums the same as mine HST or Gear. Well I have some thoughts of my own on this. Hydro is not a new thing that just came out,,,,,look at the number of skid steer loaders out there up to 100HP that use Hydro drives and to great success with little to no down time. My dad bought a 10HP gravely convertible tractor when I was 14 (wont even talk about what year that was) it had a 30'' rotary mower that worked well on heavy grass small tree's cinder blocks stumps....ok you get the point...bottom line was; a teenage farm boy couldn't tear it up and it used hydro drive as well....enough said. Now gear drives tried and true no doubt about it. My schooling was on old farmall h, john deere B's, Ford 8 n's etc......you couldn't stop em when you were pulling stumps or plowing they would dig to china before they quit. My experience with Hydro is they will do the same with the engine at a working RPM they just let you know in a lil more plain language that the job is getting hard on them by that pump screaming when it gets really loaded....but I have never seen them refuse to do the job unless something was mech wrong with them. The one post about the 25HST not being able to get out of an 8'' rut I seriously doubt. My dealer let me drive their first 30HST this past Friday and he has large ditches and I drove it in and out of these 20 degree 10' deep ditches with no trouble at about 1600 rpm's. I will be using mine to pull a 5' box blade, soil pulverizor, FEL and a 6-foot finish mower. I am interested to hear from the HST owners,, now that you all have had your 20, 25 and 30's in the field for a while. What you are finding as pro and con with the KIOTI HST or Gear driven units? My dealer quote for a 30 HST with FEL is $17,000 probably not the best price but it is a small country dealer who has dealt with tractors all their lives and they stand behind the products they sell, thanks for any INFO and when I get the tractor,, PICs will be following shortly, <font color="orange"> </font> probably early December........Greg
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #2  
here is my 2 cents worth


If I was going to operate the machine myself, I would go for the gears and save about $1500.00

But dog gone it, a hired hand can tear up and anvil.

The hydro is easer to operate and I believe it is easer on the machine with an inexperanced opperator at the controlls.

A lot of folks now days have no real idea about what a clutch is for and what it is NOT for.

If it was my machine, and I was gonna put a hired hand on it, I believe I would go hydro.
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #3  
Virgil is there lot's of power lost from gear to hst. And if there is... do you have a big difference..THANK's in advance CAG.
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #4  
I'm with Virgil, for a landscaping business with multiple users I would go hydro.
For my own personal use with me being the main user I would save some money and go with the gears. The sycro-shuttle transmissions work real nice.
My opinion.
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #5  
I think the only place you will notice the power loss is at top end speed or if your running something on the PTO that is using just about every bit of power that the tractor can produce. I bought a gear version CK20 for this reason as I want plow snow in third gear high range as I did with my old B7100 Kubota. When I tried the Hydro I felt that the CK20 was just a little over matched at high speed compared to the gear version. (plus it was $2000 more in price, which was $2000 more towards the backhoe I bought).
Hope this gives a little more insight to your plight.

Steve
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #6  
Thank's for the reply Steve. I like the HST but d'ont think I'm ready to have the power lost. Would you mind saying how much you paid for your CK20 THANK's CAG.
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #7  
The pto hp difference is only .5 hp, would that be noticeable? For my tractor (Mahindra) the $ difference was only $1000.00. I went with HST. After using a gear unit with shuttle recently, it affirms my choice in HST. The shuttle was easy but, I do prefer the HST. Could you demo both?
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #8  
Shvl73 I will have to make very sure of this. For I too plan to have the 3pt snow blower. My tractor choice will be the CK20.
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #9  
I paid C$21500 for CK20J w/FEL 54" bucket, 2365 Backhoe w/12" bucket, Grill guard and rear remotes (which I haven't seen yet). All above without hoe was C$15,500. As far as what you are going to do with tractor if your a first time user of a rear snowblower I'd recommend the HST as it will be much easier to get used too. This because you will have infinite speed control when snowblowing and when you stop the blower will keep spinning, useless you shove the clutch in.
As far as the size of snowblower you can use, it can be debated forever, but I have a 4' rear blower ( it covers the 44" width of the CK) that I have used for 10 years on my old B7200DT Kubota. It handled this with no problems at all and it was only 14.5HP at the PTO. The CK20J is rated 16.5 HP at the PTO where the CK20H is rated at 15.5HP, so HP shouldn't be a problem from the numbers game. Last February we had the snowstorm of the century and got 36" + and I had to blow the driveway twice during the same storm just to stay ahead, the snow was rolling over the top of the blower, there was so much of it and I couldn't slow the engine down to reduce the speed of the tractor as the blower would slow also. But the old girl didn't miss a beat. It took me about 8 hours that day to clear about 1600' of driveway twice. I finished about 2:00am and got up and went to work the next morning and I was the only one to show up, bummer, shoveled for an hour or two and came back home to rest. Sorry to babble but some people like myself love to read others plights and experiences. Hope this answers some questions, if not feel free to ask more.

Steve
 
   / NEW CK30 HST or GEAR #10  
Forgot to mention the CK20HST was $2000 more than the gear version from my dealer.

Steve
 

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