MY LOCAL DEALER SAYS ICANT REALLY HAVE A TNT ON MY990MFWD WITH FEL, HE SEEMS A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT MY OPTIONS. IM NEW TO TRACTORS, BUT FROM A FEW THREADS I,VE READ MY OPTIONS ARE NOT AS LIMITED AS I THOUGHT. I MUST ADMIT SOME CONFUSION, 3RDSVC,ELECTRIC DIVERTERS,POWER BEYOND(WHICH IM TOLD IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE).WHAT IS MY BEST OPTIONS? THE ULTIMATE SET UP WOULD ALLOW ME TO OPERATE A 4N1 BUCKET IN THE FUTURE. ANY ADVICE WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
new 990 owner wanting tnt , dealer says no
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jeffinsgf
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I just went through this, Frank, so maybe I can help.
All you need for a 4-in-1 is the 3rd SCV, which is not terribly expensive or complicated to have installed. This will allow you to have a grapple, or to operate any open center cylinder. With just a little more plumbing, that can work at either the front or back of the tractor. This is what I have done so far, but only have it at the back of the tractor for a dump trailer. I don't need a grapple on my tractor since I have one on my Bobcat.
The reason the dealer tried to steer you away from the JD top-and-tilt package is that it requires two over-priced accessories for your tractor. First, you have to have the diverter for the dual SCV control installed. Now, you have a switch that will change the joystick from controlling the FEL to controlling another set of cylinders -- whatever they may be. The diverter is not an inexpensive option on JD CUT's. Then the top-and-tilt kit is kind of salty on its own at about a grand.
There are loads of after-market options to add a second SCV to control a top cylinder and tilt cylinder. There are a couple of places (some of which advertise here on TBN) which offer pre-packaged kits and/or will customize a set up for you for about half what JD wants.
But, most of those will be easier to tie in if you have the JD "Power Beyond" kit installed. This puts a hydraulic supply and return line right at the back of the tractor. When not in use, you just plug the return line into the supply line and it completes the circuit. If you need to run something hydraulic (like a backhoe) you just add that implement's lines into the circuit. The implement must have its own controls. On the JD Power Beyond, there are two return line ports. One bypasses the rockshaft control and is used when connecting a backhoe. The other is the normal loop, which allows the rockshaft adjustment to work.
What I did on my 4410, and what I would suggest is the "biggest bang for your buck" is to have the "Power Beyond" kit and the 3rd SCV installed by your dealer. Then work with your tractor for a while and see just how much you really need hydro adjustment of your rear implements. If you're constantly screwing the top and side adjusters (or wishing you had before you got in the seat) then go with one of the aftermarket packages and keep about a grand in your pocket compared to the factory rig.
All you need for a 4-in-1 is the 3rd SCV, which is not terribly expensive or complicated to have installed. This will allow you to have a grapple, or to operate any open center cylinder. With just a little more plumbing, that can work at either the front or back of the tractor. This is what I have done so far, but only have it at the back of the tractor for a dump trailer. I don't need a grapple on my tractor since I have one on my Bobcat.
The reason the dealer tried to steer you away from the JD top-and-tilt package is that it requires two over-priced accessories for your tractor. First, you have to have the diverter for the dual SCV control installed. Now, you have a switch that will change the joystick from controlling the FEL to controlling another set of cylinders -- whatever they may be. The diverter is not an inexpensive option on JD CUT's. Then the top-and-tilt kit is kind of salty on its own at about a grand.
There are loads of after-market options to add a second SCV to control a top cylinder and tilt cylinder. There are a couple of places (some of which advertise here on TBN) which offer pre-packaged kits and/or will customize a set up for you for about half what JD wants.
But, most of those will be easier to tie in if you have the JD "Power Beyond" kit installed. This puts a hydraulic supply and return line right at the back of the tractor. When not in use, you just plug the return line into the supply line and it completes the circuit. If you need to run something hydraulic (like a backhoe) you just add that implement's lines into the circuit. The implement must have its own controls. On the JD Power Beyond, there are two return line ports. One bypasses the rockshaft control and is used when connecting a backhoe. The other is the normal loop, which allows the rockshaft adjustment to work.
What I did on my 4410, and what I would suggest is the "biggest bang for your buck" is to have the "Power Beyond" kit and the 3rd SCV installed by your dealer. Then work with your tractor for a while and see just how much you really need hydro adjustment of your rear implements. If you're constantly screwing the top and side adjusters (or wishing you had before you got in the seat) then go with one of the aftermarket packages and keep about a grand in your pocket compared to the factory rig.
JEFF, THANKS FOR THE INFO. A 3RD SVC AND POWER BEYOND WOULD BE NICE, BUT I DONT THINK JD OFFERS EITHER FOR THE 990. MY DEALERS SOLUTION FOR THE 4N1BUCKET IS A ELECTRIC DIVERTER WHICH YOU SWITCH FROM THE CURL OF THE BUCKET. I KNOW JD WEB SITE OFFERS ALL THESE OPTIONS FOR YOUR TRACTOR, BY THE WAY IS A SUPER NICE TRACTOR. PRICE KEPT ME WITH THE 990. AT THE TIME I DIDNT KNOW IT HAD LIMITED OPTIONS
Ledgemere Farm
Veteran Member
Going from memory, I think the rear hydraulics on the 790 & 990 are just an extension from the DSCV on the side. I may be mistaken, but I don't belive you can have a loader and rear outlets simultaneously. Go to Deere's website and "build" your tractor. Try adding a rear outlet and see what it shows you.
Good luck!
Good luck!
rdln
Veteran Member
Power beyond kit is discontinued for 990 but seems can be nickel and dimed together from parts that make up kit.
anything can be done, it just cant be packaged as purty as the cup holder tractors.
anything can be done, it just cant be packaged as purty as the cup holder tractors.
jeffinsgf
Veteran Member
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LMAO!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Don't know whether to take offense from this or not. I'll send you a cleaning bill for the coffee I just snorted all over my computer.
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Hi Frank,
First welcome to TBN! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Second, typing in all CAPS is considered yelling on the Internet. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Third, no need to start multiple threads on the same topic, i.e., one here and one in the Attachments forum. If the message is brand specific, post it in the brand specific forum. Otherwise, use one of the General forums.
First welcome to TBN! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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That's what they have us moderators around for! Mike already took care of it for you. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Hey, don't worry about it! There aren't too many of us that can say that we didn't screw up our first posts too. It's called a learning curve, and you're already well on your way to flattening the curve out! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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That's what they have us moderators around for! Mike already took care of it for you. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Seriously, don't ever be afraid to ask questions around here. You may get a little "friendly" kidding about it (trust me, I know /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif), but you'll always get the help that you need. And you can always contact a moderator for help. They're listed at the bottom left corner of the screen when you're in a thread.
We look forward to your future contributions. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
