My Retirement Plan

/ My Retirement Plan #61  
Richard,

That's a very nice offer and very generous of you. I'm in a cash position and not in any hurry to change that right now. Maybe not for a very long time. Real estate is looking better and better to me, and I've looked at two properties in the last two weeks. The rental market is also looking interesting to me, while just a few years ago, I didn't have any interest in owning them.

Knowing how much thought and detail that you put into your projects around your house indicates that you are the type to do the same with work. Hopefully some guys here will be able to take you up on your offer.

Eddie
 
/ My Retirement Plan #62  
Knowing how much thought and detail that you put into your projects around your house indicates that you are the type to do the same with work. Hopefully some guys here will be able to take you up on your offer.

Eddie, thank you for the kind words. What people need is someone who is genuinely on THEIR team and sadly, after being in this business for this long, I'm well aware that one doesn't always find a broker who is willing to fight for you.

My favorite forum is with one of my passions (music/stereos/Klipsch) so if you want to read about a real life situation... my name on that forum is "Coytee" and this is a true story I warn you (anyone who might read it)... it is VERY long but had to be so the nuances of the story could be brought out. Well, that and I'm terrible at being short & concise :eek:

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/ My Retirement Plan #63  
I don't know why the above link is SO weird...

It works for me though. I tried to edit it, thinking I screwed it up until I tried it and it took me where it was supposed to.

Now I'm confused as to what I did wrong
 
/ My Retirement Plan #64  
But, then being self sufficient takes a lot of hard work; something one may not be able to do long into a retirement. In that case, downsizing ones needs will be key

Yes, that is our concern, how many years will we physically be in good health to do all we are capable of. We too will likely downsize one day.
 
/ My Retirement Plan #65  
On the real estate vs. stock investments question, I will share the insight I got from a very unusual source years ago.

I worked in the aerospace industry, and when the Soviet Union fell, the company established contacts there, and I traveled to Russia to buy technology. Before I went I took a course in understanding the Russians.

One of the questions that came up was "how did the Soviets keep their people in such miserable living conditions for so long?" The instructor answered that by introducing the concept of "relative well-being". Essentially if you have the same, or even slightly better, standard of living as the people around you, you do not feel deprived. The way I applied this to retirement was to notice that in good times or bad, a home rents for about 1/3 of a family's income. So, if I DW and I owned 3 homes outright when we retired, we would be just about as well off as the average person in our community. Now, there is maintenance and repairs, so we probably needed 4 instead of just three, but no matter what happens with inflation, deflation, boom or depression, we are going to be financially in as good a shape as average if we have those 4 houses.

Now, throw in our pensions, some Social Security, and a little bit of a 401 (k), and we will be doing better than average.

As far as the issue of real estate appreciation vs, stock appreciation goes, real estate doesn't goes up as fast as as stocks, but if I borrow money to buy stock and the stock goes down, they will call the loan and bankrupt me. OTOH, I can borrow money to buy real estate and if the value of the house drops, they can't call the loan. And if my equity is something like 25%, and the whole house goes up with inflation, my equity goes up 4 times as fast as inflation.

There are two other advantages to real estate. One is that I am master of my own destiny to a much greater extent than with stock. DW and I could improve the property with out own labor and a minimum of materials. Plus we were spending time together and strengthening our relationship, working for a common goal. Go ahead, try that with stocks, you will discover that no matter how good your market research, the chairman of GM just doesn't want to hear your advice.

The other advantage of real estate is that it is not very liquid. Getting your money out is a big deal that takes months of planning. You don't sell it on a whim, and you can't sell off small chunks to buy a car or something.

Right now, I am expecting a pretty fair amount of inflation over the next few years. You can go back to the time of the Romans, and see that increased government spending has always led to inflation. Oh, the Romans didn't call it that, they called it "debasing the currency", but coins that started out as pure gold only had a few percent gold in them toward the end, and that is exactly the same thing as inflation.

Right now, we don't have any fully-paid real estate, but we do have enough equity to give us the equivalent of 4 paid off small houses. If inflation kicks off, I would rather owe money than not, and when the real estate market improves, we can sell out and pay down mortgages to get into a paid up position.
 
/ My Retirement Plan #66  
There are two other advantages to real estate. One is that I am master of my own destiny to a much greater extent than with stock. DW and I could improve the property with out own labor and a minimum of materials. Plus we were spending time together and strengthening our relationship, working for a common goal. Go ahead, try that with stocks, you will discover that no matter how good your market research, the chairman of GM just doesn't want to hear your advice.

Amen!!!

I'm probably one of the lost generation I now read when it comes to stocks... I really don't want to have anything to do with them and my entire experience over 30 years has really left a bad taste in my mouth... with one or 2 exceptions.

My Grandparents and Parents never owned stocks and my Grandfather was so glad he listened to my Grandmother back in 1929 when he felt he was missing out while everyone was getting rich... Grandmother said she has everything she wants or needs... a good man, a roof over her head and food on the table...

My company sponsored 401k has been a disaster and last week I learned the outside administrator has notified human resources that fees will soon be imposed because the aggregate of the plan is now below some threshold??? The administrator already receives around 2% every year from the funds where the company 401k money is parked.

It's the little games they play that I find particularly annoying... 401k/profit sharing/ESOP speaking.

Had no choice but to switch when administrators changed and then there was a 10 business day black-out where everything was frozen.

Only whole shares could roll into the new fund. Tax time I recieve 3 1099's for fractional stock sales... each somewhere between $21 and $23 dollars. I also receive 3 brokerage transaction memos stating the fees charged exactly match the sale amount???

Why send out 1099's when I net nothing and the stock sold for less than I paid 8 years ago? Such a waste all the way around... accounting, reporting, records, etc...

Yeah, we are all down and so that's why they decide now is the time to impose more fees... gotta to preserve that income stream no matter what.

I'm tired of paying for someone's new Porsche... maybe a TLB... but it would never happen in the Real World...
 
/ My Retirement Plan #67  
I consider myself very fortunate...

I worked in the furniture industry here in NC for 12 years before landing my dream job...

Teaching furniture manufacturing here at the local community college...

I ended up being promoted to division chair in 2000 but realized with imports and the contraction of the industry it was just a matter of time before the program would close...

So, in 2004 I went back to school and got a masters and are currently working on an EdS.

The program was closed down last year but I have been assigned to start up a new furniture/cabinetmaking program up here at a local high school...

I have 15 years in with the state and hope to retire @ 60 with 25 years and full benefits...

Well, that's the plan anyway...

Life is good...
 
/ My Retirement Plan #68  
I tend to stay out of these topics since it can usually lead to nothing but a headache for me as well as sometimes having someone jump me for "soliciting" when in fact, I've only been trying to help and give back to a forum that has given so much to me over the years.

Richard,

That is a very fair offer. :D I have seen it when people accused you of soliciting which was a BS. I have never felt you were soliciting business and I could not fathom how someone could think that you were doing so. Don't let the nuts prevent you from posting on the subject at hand. :D

I saw a survey about last week asking different age groups if they thought they would retire. In the youngest group, in the 20's, only about 20-25% thought they would retire. I think the maximum percentage was in the 30% range for other age groups.

The only way I will be able to retire is to pay off all debt first. Been trying to do that for years with some success and some failures. :eek::D

My goal was to have my income needs to be low enough so that I could work as the Wally World Greeter. Figured if I could work for that low of a wage I could find work anywhere and the job could not be offshored. :D

Later,
Dan
 
/ My Retirement Plan #69  
That is a very fair offer. :D I have seen it when people accused you of soliciting which was a BS. I have never felt you were soliciting business and I could not fathom how someone could think that you were doing so. Don't let the nuts prevent you from posting on the subject at hand. :D

Thank you for the nice words Dan.

I urge anyone/everyone to hit the link I put a couple comments prior to this one and read the story about the "Frazier kids". Though long, it turned into a pretty informative thread. Also, in case anyone thinks I was broadcasting to total strangers there, of all the people that actually posted a response back on that thread, I have personally met six of them on about three different occasions. We've met in Indianapolis Indiana and/or Hope Arkansas and all made a trek to get together.

I don't know why my little voice is wanting me to point that out but it said to so there it is! :D
 
/ My Retirement Plan #70  
Retirement - looking forward to it! Richard, I might just take you up on that offer of advice, thanks. Anyway, our place is paid for, just a few bills to go to be debt free (again!); a big issue for us is insurance before medicare at 65. So, we might have to wait until that age, not long. How do y'all who retired so young handle health care?
 

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