Spreader Middle Busters and 3PT Spreaders

[Nuru]

Anyone out there have any experience with 3PT middle busters? I want to trench some electriical and sprinkler lines. I figure instead of renting a ditch with I can use one of these on my 4100?

How about Farmstar/worksaver seeder/spreaders for the 3PT ?

Thanks

 

[patrickg]

Nuru, I have a middle buster/subsoiler for 3PH. (same frame, just change the "tip".) I don't know your frost depth or if the lines will be empty when not in use but I have an 18 inch "code depth" for water and would have difficulty getting that. Of course, if the alternative were a shovel then by all means do what you can with the implement and finish with the idiot stick (AKA shovel).

For electric lines I have been intending to make an accessory for the middle buster/subsoiler (subsoiler is best match) that will feed out the wire as I trench. I thought something like an elbow to take the wire down and then turn to the back. I would mount this close behind the "tooth" to pay out wire in the hole directly behind the implement. Before I build I will research a bit as I'm sure there are designs out there that have been perfected and tuned that would save a lot of time and trouble.

When I needed to trench 500 ft (2 ft deep min) to run data lines from my mom's house to my shop building, I rented a diesel "ride on" ditch witch in the afternoon and for 3 hrs of rental cost could use it all night and return by a morning deadline. If you don't mind working at night or in the evening, it is a bargain. I have found several rental outfits that offer this sort of deal. Of course it was summer and the temp was good. Still, for the savings, I would have worn my gosedown gear.

Patrick

 

[Nuru]

Patrickg; thanks, I am looking at the middle buster instead of a ditch witch, as the tasks come up from time to time and I want to be able to do it when I want to and not be dependant on a rental. also farmstar makes a heavy duty Heavy Duty Single Shank Ripper, the following is its description:

Use as hedgerow root plow to increase crop yields.
Large 30" shank for deep soil penetration.
Up to 24" working depth.
Replaceable wear strip and point.
31" frame fits Cat. I, Cat. II hitches.
Point made from long wearing Hi-Carbon steel.
Replaceable shear pin.
Recommended min. tractor hp. - 30


now i have a 20 HP 4100, but it seems that a heavier one may be the way to go, or just make multiple passes, which does not bother me at all.

 

[Hoeman00]

Recommended min. tractor hp. - 30

We have a 5 shank subsoiler and is only running 16" deep and need 220hp w/duals and mfwd.
I think u need lots more HP to go 24" even on multiple passes.
Not to mention hook a root and you will think u set anchor.
The large tile plows to do 4" tile around 4'-5' deep need 250hp and 4wd.

 

[patrickg]

Nuru, The King Kutter "sub soiler" tooth is a rectangular piece of steel inclined at quite an angle. Sounds a bit like your single ripper thingy but can't go nearly so deep. Sure 2 or 3 passes with a fair priced tool with other uses beats the pajamas off of renting a machine. At the time I rented my overnighter I didn't have the sub soiler or middle buster. I hope to be able to find or evolve a design expressly for laying wire, similar to the vibrating thing the contractors use to lay phone cable to houses. Given that a tractor has way more power to the ground than the vibrating cable layer, maybe I won't need the vibration.

How much does that single shank ripper cost? Maybe I could adapt it to lay wire.

When I was trenching in the underground electrical, gas, alarm, and water for my mom's house I used the FEL and got ditches 24 inches deep 24 inches wide, real steep on the side near the tractor and a little less so on the other side. Luckily the ground was near optimum for digging, not too wet not too dry. Can't depend on that!

Good luck to you with your trenching,

Patrick

 

[Nuru]

Hoeman00; thanks for the info.

 

[Nuru]

Patrickg. the units cost between $180 - $280, depending on who you go to. i want to get the middle buster and subsoiler, plus the spreader if I can afford it.

 

[buzst]

Nuru,
I bought a Middlebuster/subsoiler for my b2150 from The Vassar Company (www.vassarfarmequip.com) for $129 about a month ago (great tool and great people to deal with). It works great for trenching but (Maybe due to my lack of experience) it’s difficult for me to get much deeper than 15”.Multiple passes are required and each pass puts soil in the tire path that needs to be removed before your next pass. Also keep in mind the overall length of the implement has to be consistent with your overall rear tire diameter and the travel on your TPH. Raised fully on my ,machine I only have about 2” ground clearance under the implement tip, this provides for some challenges as the tip digs in on hills and bumps.

 

[Mosey]

I asked a similar question a while ago and got the following responses which might help: <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tractorbynet.com/cgi-bin/compact/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=implement&Number=163328&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1>Using a middle buster to bury drain tile</A>.

As far as making multiple passes, is that difficult? It seems like it would be hard to keep the middle buster in the exact center.

 

[Nuru]

Buzst; what was the shipping charge, as I found one at tarter gate for $120 but they told me that shipping was $100 bucks so I dropped them. I will look at Vassar and she what they say.