Oil & Fuel mf 245 intermittent fuel problems

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hawg

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I am new to forum and tractors. I have a background in gas motors in cars and trucks but not diesels(tho I am learning). My mf 245 has perkins engine. I replaced the fuel filter and bled the system a couple of months ago. It ran good until the other day. I was putting out hay, it ran for about 5 minutes and died. I ended up having to put jumper cables on it and rebled the fuel system to get it started. I am getting good fuel at line on top of injector pump. It seems to have gotten worse about dying until this afternoon, when it died and would not start again. I tried to bleed the fuel system and again getting fuel at line on top of injector pump. I also had to bleed it the other day before it would start, this happened after it sat for about 3 days.
 
   / mf 245 intermittent fuel problems #2  
Hello hawg, Since you are able to start and run, go to the line out of the fuel tank /first filter and disconnect. You should have a steady, full pipe of fuel running out. If not then you have 1of 2 problems. There is crap in the tank and it has blocked the small fine filter inside the tank on the fuel tank tap. NOTE this filter cannot be seen through the fuel cap hole.
The 2nd of the possible problems, is a blocked vent on the fuel cap, this creates a vacum in the tank and fuel starvation.
If you do have good fuel at the first filter, then repeat process on each pipe to the injector pump.

When were the fuel filters last changed?
Look in the glass bowl on the fuel filter, is there crap in it? If so change both filters.

If you have tracked the problem to a dirty fuel tank (13 gal cap) you will need to remove the tank for cleaning. If it is the same as a MF240 then it will be a pita to clean. Good Luck.
 
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What has your temps been lately? Are you running a winter blend? Are you running a fuel supplement? Alot of people don't realize it, but diesel fuel has a waxy substance. When it is 70 degrees out everything is fine. When it is say 10 degrees out you have problems. As the fuel gels,that waxy substance sticks to the fuel filter and your pretty much done. Yeah, some fuel may get through, but not enough to run the tractor. I believe I'd get some fuel filters and some fuel supplement. Power service and hoses are both pretty good ones. I'd get a heat lamp and a tarp. Put the lamp by fuel lines and fuel pump. Warm things up, change fuel filters and put in some fuel supplement. Start it up ad let it run at 1000-1200 rpms. Just let it run say 30-45 minutes. A fuel filter could have been changed yesterday and if you gel up today, get a new fuel filter. Hope this helps.
 
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Thank You redman and Phillip, My tractor did sit up for a few months before I replaced the filters about 2 months ago, so it probably does have trash in the tank. Also, we did have a cold snap this week, temps dropped to 19 at night and about 30 during the day. This was the first day it really started acting up. I live in the South, so this is low temps for me. I'll try cleaning the tank along with new filters and some fuel treatment. I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks again
 
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Thank You redman and Phillip, My tractor did sit up for a few months before I replaced the filters about 2 months ago, so it probably does have trash in the tank. Also, we did have a cold snap this week, temps dropped to 19 at night and about 30 during the day. This was the first day it really started acting up. I live in the South, so this is low temps for me. I'll try cleaning the tank along with new filters and some fuel treatment. I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks again


I was checking all the fuel line fittings to make sure I was getting a good stream of fuel. All good out of the tank and to the filter, the fuel looked clean and normal, but when I got to the other side by injector pump, I found a loose line that was leaking. I traced it from end of injector pump to filter housing. I tried tightening it but still leaking. I disconnected line at injector pump and pressed the bleeder on lift pump, and found this is the fuel line bringing fuel to injector pump. The rubber seal appears to be hardened and brittle. If it is leaking fuel, could it be sucking air? Can I replace just the rubber seal or have to replace line? Does it have to be exact line or could I get a copper line and bend it myself? Could this be my main problem or just another that needs fixing? This is a picture of line with arrow pointing to leak. Screenshot by Lightshot Thanks in advance
 
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I was checking all the fuel line fittings to make sure I was getting a good stream of fuel. All good out of the tank and to the filter, the fuel looked clean and normal, but when I got to the other side by injector pump, I found a loose line that was leaking. I traced it from end of injector pump to filter housing. I tried tightening it but still leaking. I disconnected line at injector pump and pressed the bleeder on lift pump, and found this is the fuel line bringing fuel to injector pump. The rubber seal appears to be hardened and brittle. If it is leaking fuel, could it be sucking air? Can I replace just the rubber seal or have to replace line? Does it have to be exact line or could I get a copper line and bend it myself? Could this be my main problem or just another that needs fixing? This is a picture of line with arrow pointing to leak. Screenshot by Lightshot Thanks in advance
Well, for no more than the price of a filter, I still go for a filter. This total eliminates the chance. At 19 degrees, with summer blend and no additive it could have gotten the best of you. A plugged filter from gelling will look great, just fine and nearly new. But it is plugged up with that "waxy substance and you can't tell it by looking at it.
Now for your other auestions. You said you were familiar with gasoline engines. For my comparison, I'm going to "pick on" the old 390 Ford engine from the early 1970's cause it is a engine I understand and am familiar with. I hope you understand the old 390. The good news an old diesel engine is relatively simple.
The old 390 had points, a condenser, vacuum advance, distributor, coil, plug wires, spark plugs, carburetor and so forth. Throw all that stuf2f away cause you don't need any of it.
Now, let's talk about the diesel and what parts on the diesel serve as all the stuff we just threw away on that old 390. The injectors take the place of both the spark plug and the carburetor. The injector injects a spray pattern of fuel into the cylinder with extremely high pressure (usually about 3,000 psi). The fuel lines from the injector pump to the injector are like and serve the same type of job as plug wires, but there is a difference. plug wire care electricity to the spark plug and fuel lines carry fuel to them injectors. Now, electrcity travel super fast. So, if you go to Napa and buy plug wires you will get short ones and long ones and so forth and every thing will work out fine. With a diesel and it's fuel lines that womy work. The fuel don't travel as fast as electricity. Therefore all the fuel lines have to be the exact same length in order for every thing to work out. So, if you need fuel lines, it is best to get them from the manufacturer. ( If you need help getting parts, let me know and I can help you get in touch with mf dealer.)
Now, the injector pump. It kind of serves the same function as a fuel pump on the old 390 and is mechanical like the old 390. However there are some big differences. For starters fuel pressure on a 390 was like 7 psi
I can't remember the pressure coming out of the injector pump, but it is alot. Now here the next big difference. The injector pump takes the place of and serves as the distributor. Inside that injector pump are little tiny pistons. Just as the distributor turns on a 390 and the rotor cap deliverers the spark to the right plug wire via the distributor cap, the injector pump turns and each little piston pushes the fuel to the right injector via the fuel line.
From them then injector pump back to the tank it is basically like that or a gasoline engine.
Here is the another big difference between gas and diedel engines, a diesel required absolutely no electricity to keep it running. All the old tractors 60's and 70's did not need electricity to make the run. You needed the electricity to turn the starter and run the lights. Not these engineers think they are getting cute and creative by put all these electrical and electronic gadgets on the new tractors. Those need electricity and the engineers are making a mess out of things for a guy like you or me.
So can you system suck air and cause trouble??? Yes. Can you replace the they rubber piece that serves as a seal and is all weather checked??? Yes, but you'll probably have to go thru a mf dealer. Can you replace the fuel lines??? Yes, but copper and rubber are out. The fuel lines on a diesel are steel. I've never seen a diesel with anything but steel fuel lines. Hope this helps
 
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I was checking all the fuel line fittings to make sure I was getting a good stream of fuel. All good out of the tank and to the filter, the fuel looked clean and normal, but when I got to the other side by injector pump, I found a loose line that was leaking. I traced it from end of injector pump to filter housing. I tried tightening it but still leaking. I disconnected line at injector pump and pressed the bleeder on lift pump, and found this is the fuel line bringing fuel to injector pump. The rubber seal appears to be hardened and brittle. If it is leaking fuel, could it be sucking air? Can I replace just the rubber seal or have to replace line? Does it have to be exact line or could I get a copper line and bend it myself? Could this be my main problem or just another that needs fixing? This is a picture of line with arrow pointing to leak. Screenshot by Lightshot Thanks in advance

You have to get rid of all leaks so I would replace it as a matter of course. You do not want air in your lines and if you have air going into the pump you would have air going into the injectors. This may or may not cause the injector to not open (if enough air to create a spring ). It is not hard to bleed them but start with that known bad line. It does not have pressure on it to speak of so any good diesel fuel line would work as long as the fittings are proper and good. OEM is best however and recommended.
 
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You have to get rid of all leaks so I would replace it as a matter of course. You do not want air in your lines and if you have air going into the pump you would have air going into the injectors. This may or may not cause the injector to not open (if enough air to create a spring ). It is not hard to bleed them but start with that known bad line. It does not have pressure on it to speak of so any good diesel fuel line would work as long as the fittings are proper and good. OEM is best however and recommended.

Thanks everyone for your replies, I have learned a lot by listening to the different ideas and followed thru with some. At the moment, I have it running good. A 51 cent rubber fuel line grommet and about 15 minutes worth of work and problem solved. Thanks again and I'll be back with more questions as
new problems arise.
 
   / mf 245 intermittent fuel problems #9  
Thanks everyone for your replies, I have learned a lot by listening to the different ideas and followed thru with some. At the moment, I have it running good. A 51 cent rubber fuel line grommet and about 15 minutes worth of work and problem solved. Thanks again and I'll be back with more questions as
new problems arise.

Good Job!!
 

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