dcharette
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Hello,
My name is Dan. I have a 1965 Massey Ferguson 165 with an AD4.203 diesel and multi-power transmission. It has a front end loader with a pair of dual action hydraulic lift cylinders to raise and lower the arms.
When I got the tractor, the loader hydraulic hoses were connected to a small diversion valve located just under the seat near the quadrant controls. I've attached a picture of this original diversion valve. The way it operated was when the toggle lever on the top of the diversion valve was in one position, the 3pt lift arms would operate, utilizing the draft control quadrant lever. When I moved the toggle lever to the other position, the 3pt would no longer work, and oil would be diverted to operating the lift cylinders for the loader. I was able to raise and lower the loader using the draft control quadrant just like the 3pt. This had been a little tricky for the longest time, because if I wanted to raise the loader and hold it in position, it would always be a factor of trying to find the correct spot on the draft control to do it. It worked though, just a little slow and tricky.
So, to get around this problem, I was lucky enough to have been gifted a new Cross Manufacturing BA 3 spool valve which ideally, I thought it would make it possible to operate the loader and the 3pt independently.
I've installed it where the old diversion valve was, and the results are a little puzzling and I'm hoping someone can help me to get the problem corrected.
I've connected the loader hoses to the rightmost Cross valve(if viewed looking down from the seat.) According to the Massey aux hydraulic manual, the position quadrant should be located at "constant pressure" and the draft quadrant at "up." When I then pull the Cross control lever back, the loader raises. When I push it forward, it drops, and it drops much faster than the original diverter valve allowed it.
Now, the 3 pt is where my problem resides. I still need to have draft control functionality for plow. But, I cannot for the life of me seem to get it to operate. What I presume is supposed to happen is that the leftmost Cross valve(as viewed looking down from the seat) would be pushed out and detented into the forward position, allowing oil straight through the valve back into the draft controls. The position control quadrant would be in "transport" position and the draft control would raise and lower the 3pt with draft floating functionality. But this doesn't seem to be what's happening.
Instead, I need to put the draft control in the up position, and push the Cross lever forward to detent, then the 3pt raises all the way up and stays until I pull back the Cross lever and carefully pull is back past center because the 3pt will drop full force. The draft control can be in either up or down position and the pulling the Cross lever back brings the 3pt down with full force, no draft control functionality.
So, I am able to raise and lower the 3pt using the Cross lever, but, I have no draft control.
Again, the previous, original diverter valve allowed draft control to work.
So, any ideas on what may be the issue? Perhaps I need to perform some mod on the Cross valve? I've looked through the literature that came with the valve and online, but I haven't been able to locate the smoking gun issue that pertains particularly to my problem.
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I'm already over the moon at being able to raise and lower the loader into a static position without having to "find" where I want it.
Thanks!
My name is Dan. I have a 1965 Massey Ferguson 165 with an AD4.203 diesel and multi-power transmission. It has a front end loader with a pair of dual action hydraulic lift cylinders to raise and lower the arms.
When I got the tractor, the loader hydraulic hoses were connected to a small diversion valve located just under the seat near the quadrant controls. I've attached a picture of this original diversion valve. The way it operated was when the toggle lever on the top of the diversion valve was in one position, the 3pt lift arms would operate, utilizing the draft control quadrant lever. When I moved the toggle lever to the other position, the 3pt would no longer work, and oil would be diverted to operating the lift cylinders for the loader. I was able to raise and lower the loader using the draft control quadrant just like the 3pt. This had been a little tricky for the longest time, because if I wanted to raise the loader and hold it in position, it would always be a factor of trying to find the correct spot on the draft control to do it. It worked though, just a little slow and tricky.
So, to get around this problem, I was lucky enough to have been gifted a new Cross Manufacturing BA 3 spool valve which ideally, I thought it would make it possible to operate the loader and the 3pt independently.
I've installed it where the old diversion valve was, and the results are a little puzzling and I'm hoping someone can help me to get the problem corrected.
I've connected the loader hoses to the rightmost Cross valve(if viewed looking down from the seat.) According to the Massey aux hydraulic manual, the position quadrant should be located at "constant pressure" and the draft quadrant at "up." When I then pull the Cross control lever back, the loader raises. When I push it forward, it drops, and it drops much faster than the original diverter valve allowed it.
Now, the 3 pt is where my problem resides. I still need to have draft control functionality for plow. But, I cannot for the life of me seem to get it to operate. What I presume is supposed to happen is that the leftmost Cross valve(as viewed looking down from the seat) would be pushed out and detented into the forward position, allowing oil straight through the valve back into the draft controls. The position control quadrant would be in "transport" position and the draft control would raise and lower the 3pt with draft floating functionality. But this doesn't seem to be what's happening.
Instead, I need to put the draft control in the up position, and push the Cross lever forward to detent, then the 3pt raises all the way up and stays until I pull back the Cross lever and carefully pull is back past center because the 3pt will drop full force. The draft control can be in either up or down position and the pulling the Cross lever back brings the 3pt down with full force, no draft control functionality.
So, I am able to raise and lower the 3pt using the Cross lever, but, I have no draft control.
Again, the previous, original diverter valve allowed draft control to work.
So, any ideas on what may be the issue? Perhaps I need to perform some mod on the Cross valve? I've looked through the literature that came with the valve and online, but I haven't been able to locate the smoking gun issue that pertains particularly to my problem.
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated as I'm already over the moon at being able to raise and lower the loader into a static position without having to "find" where I want it.
Thanks!
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