Massey 135? Orchard Steering Issues

[cordova]

First off- I am not sure exactly which model tractor I own. The steering is 100% hydraulic with no steering box on the tranny cover. The serial# is 9A 42426. I am pretty sure my problem lies with the hydraulic motor/valve that the steering shaft couples to. I need to figure out exactly what tractor I own before I start ordering parts. I gave my local Massey dealer the serial# and they couldn't help. My derelict Massey 35 is way smaller and has conventional steering so I can't rob parts. Any help at all would be appreciated.

 

[Birdhunter1]

I'm not sure what model that one is but it is an industrial version not an orchard version.
Industrial models have heavy front axles, which yours does, and a thick nose/grill shell which that one does.

 

[radios1]

someone knew recently what model it is, because it has a new starter and alternator on it!. also, the label in the last picture has info on it that was cut off, maybe that's a clue.. possibly this?. TractorData.com Massey Ferguson 2135 industrial tractor photos information

 

[cordova]

I think radios1 has nailed it. Sure looks like a 2135, thanks a lot guys, I have somewhere to go now.

 

[cordova]

I think you nailed it radios1 Sure looks like a 2135. Thank you. The starter was aftermarket for a Perkins 3 cyl and a GM alternator mickey moused.

 

[cordova]

OK- so it looks like my tractor is a 2135 with hydraulic steering. The question I have is -should you be able to turn the steering wheel with no effort when the tractor is not running because I can. Any idea what is going on? System has fluid in it.

 

[Sportsman762]

Yep, you can spin it pretty easily with the tractor turned off. Makes moving a dead machine a real pain.

 

[redman135]

I think it is an industrial 240. The front axle and power steering reservoir are staight 240, and the grill side looks closer to a 240 than 2135. Also see "images for mf240" , some of those are full hydraulic steering.
Good Luck.

 

[cordova]

OK- so next question- with the tractor running and the front axle off the ground I can move the wheels full right and left without the steering wheel moving, I don't think this normal is it? What are the possible issues I have?

 

[Sportsman762]

I believe you have a 1968 Massey 2200. The photos were taken too close to the machine to make a definitive decision. The 2200 was a weird creature available as an industrial tractor, backhoe, forklift and forwarder (treever). So you have to be careful getting parts as they differ in many aspects. It is not a 2135 as the 2135 did not have a hardnose and required a front support for the loader as shown in the first photo on tractordata. It is most defiantly an industrial model as it has a hardnose. Your guess was close with the 135 orchard as the 135 orchard used the 2135 industrial front axle 192019M92 and other steering components as a cost savings measure by MF. MF 2135 and 135 orchards are difficult to tell apart at a glance due to the commonality, however you do not have one. The ability to move the wheels left and right by hand with the tractor running is concerning.

You could have a cylinder that is completely toast letting the fluid bypass. I would lift the front end up and support it so the wheels are free. Then I would turn the wheels all the way one direction. Take the hose off of the rod end of the outer cylinder plug the hose and then turn the wheel more to see if fluid comes out of the cylinder. If it does then the cylinder is bypassing internally. Check the other side then.