Buying Advice Major Lanscaping Planned ... help me pick an LS tractor

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I need help from the wisdom that is no doubt all over this board. I know just enough about tractors to make a really stupid decision. I would like advice on tractor size, implements needed, etc. for the list of tasks that I will post below.
My property is a rectangular shaped 4 acres. The property is about 200x900 with the 200 being road front. The front 1/3 of the property is the front lawn, house, and back yard. The rest of the property is woods (some heavy some light). The woods are flat for 100 or so feet, then slopes down about 30 degrees for another 100 feet, and the remaining is flat to the back of the property boundary. I currently own a JD X320 for the mowing so I would not initially need a mowing deck implement.

Here is my wish list of landscaping projects that I want to tackle over a few years time:

1. In the front of the woods there are several beautiful hard wood trees that are being choked by 50 or so small pines (all << 12 diameter). I want to cut them all down, remove the stumps, rake the roots, sticks, bushes, weeds, and lay down topsoil/compost to convert the first 50-70 feet of woods into lawn thus extending the back yard.
2. Much of the existing 斗awn in the back yard is compacted dirt without grass in shaded areas under nice trees. I would like to break all that bare dirt up, add soil if needed, and plant nice grass that will grow in the shade. The entire lawn, both front and back, can benefit from raking, aerating, seeding, etc. as there are many spots with poor grass quality.
3. The previous owner put a pond in the back yard, it is nothing but a mosquito incubator and a feeding tank for cranes looking to make a snack for the small goldfish we dump in it. My wife and I both agree the pond has to go we want to fill it in.
4. The previous owner also put a truckload of dirt just inside the woods edge and used it as a pistol berm for target practice. That big pile of dirt will easily fill in the pond but I ain稚 doing it with a shovel and wheelbarrow! Don稚 know how to get the bullets out of the dirt but I plan to use that mound to fill in the pond.
5. I want to fence in about 700 linear feet of the back yard in 6-8 fencing to keep out deer, dogs, etc. and keep in my pets and chickens. Digging a post hole by hand every 10 feet along the fence line is not something I would look forward to.
6. I have 2 standard sized wooden sheds in the side yard that I want to move about 100 feet toward the back of the yard.
7. The area where the sheds are currently will be turned into a 1/10 to 1/5 acre garden so I need the land leveled, compost brought in, ground tilled, etc.
8. I want to build a deep pole barn for tractor/lawn equipment to keep them out of the weather.
9. The drainage along the road is in need of repair. After a heavy rainfall I could stock trout in the 50 ft pond that forms for a few days. Digging along the existing drainage pipes and clearing of built up soil, leaves, bushes/weeds along the water path needs to be done.
10. In the winter I would want to do snow removal on the 100 foot of driveway (we may get a 6 snowfall only once or twice a year in southern Maryland).
11. I have several large trees that are in various stages of felling due to storms, hurricanes, etc. I would want to turn them into fire pit fuel, building material, etc. so cutting, moving, dragging, needs to be done.
12. I would like to turn the level part of the back woods into a fenced pasture area for small animals (goats, sheep, etc.) so that would involve tree removal, soil prep, fencing, etc.
13. I have several places around the house where ugly bushes and overgrown plants exist, I want to dig those out and convert the areas to lawn.
14. I would like to build a small greenhouse somewhere in the back yard or rear of the property.
15. I am planning to replace a 20x30 deck that will last only another two or three years.
16. I would like to dig and build a root cellar near the house.

This is a start to what I would want to do it seems like an exhausting list but I am hoping with the right sized tractor and implements I could knock these out in a few years. And once I have a tractor I will certainly think of new stuff to do with it. For example, there is a 100 acre farm close to me that I would be willing to trade farming knowledge for tractor labor.

My question is naturally, what size tractor would be the best fit for my property taking into account the various implements I would need.

I知 guessing (not totally sure) the implements would include:
a. FEL
b. Backhoe
c. Post hole auger
d. Box blade
e. Landscape rake
f. Fork

I have been looking at the LS brand and think they are the very best value out there. My LS dealer is 30 miles away, he will deliver it for free, has full service mechanics, and will pick it up for service.

Thanks for all the coming help

I see a new couple models on the LS website but haven稚 seen what the prices would be with a backhoe.
 
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My property is a rectangular shaped 4 acres in Southern Maryland. Front lawn, house and back yard occupies 1.3 acres.

Woods, some heavy, occupy 2.7 acres. . The woods are flat for 100 or so feet, then slope down 30 degrees for another 100 feet, and the remaining is flat to the back of the property boundary.

Here is my wish list of landscaping projects that I want to tackle over a few years time.:

1. In the front of the woods there are several beautiful hard wood trees that are being choked by 50 or so small pines (all << 12 diameter). I want to cut them all down, remove the stumps, rake the roots, sticks, bushes, weeds, and lay down topsoil/compost to convert the first 50-70 feet of woods into lawn thus extending the back yard.
2. Much of the existing lawn in the back yard is compacted dirt without grass in shaded areas under nice trees. I would like to break all that bare dirt up, add soil if needed, and plant nice grass that will grow in the shade. The entire lawn, both front and back, can benefit from raking, aerating, seeding, etc. as there are many spots with poor grass quality.

You can use a $7,000 tractor Backhoe for removing stumps. I would not. I would rent or hire in a tracked excavator to deal with the stumps, filling the pond and improving drainage along the road.
VIDEO: excavator removing tree stumps - YouTube

For aerating and root raking a Field Cultivator works very well. This was one of the first four implements sold for the tractor Three Point Hitch.
LINK: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/339095-dirt-dog-all-purpose-plow.html?highlight=

I know of no grass which will flourish in any less than full sun. I would plan for a ground cover rather than lawn.



3. The previous owner put a pond in the back yard, it is nothing but a mosquito incubator and a feeding tank for cranes looking to make a snack for the small goldfish we dump in it. My wife and I both agree the pond has to go we want to fill it in.

The previous owner also put a truckload of dirt just inside the woods edge and used it as a pistol berm for target practice. That big pile of dirt will easily fill in the pond but I ain稚 doing it with a shovel and wheelbarrow! Don't know how to get the bullets out of the dirt but I plan to use that mound to fill in the pond.

Unless the water will be consumed by humans I would not mess with the bullets, nor would I discuss the berm. In some states lead is a hazardous substance and that dirt pile may be a potential hazardous waste site and major expense.


5. I want to fence in about 700 linear feet of the back yard in 6-8 fencing to keep out deer, dogs, etc. and keep in my pets and chickens. Digging a post hole by hand every 10 feet along the fence line is not something I would look forward to.

Post Hole Auger. You need a minimum top wire height of seven feet to fence out deer.


6. I have 2 standard sized wooden sheds in the side yard that I want to move about 100 feet toward the back of the yard.

7. The area where the sheds are currently will be turned into a 1/10 to 1/5 acre garden so I need the land leveled, compost brought in, ground tilled, etc.

Rip the garden with the Field Cultivator.

8. I want to build a deep pole barn for tractor/lawn equipment to keep them out of the weather.


9. The drainage along the road is in need of repair. After a heavy rainfall I could stock trout in the 50 ft pond that forms for a few days. Digging along the existing drainage pipes and clearing of built up soil, leaves, bushes/weeds along the water path needs to be done.

Excavator


10. In the winter I would want to do snow removal on the 100 foot of driveway (we may get a 6 snowfall only once or twice a year in southern Maryland).

FEL bucket should suffice, perhaps with a snow edge added to the bucket.
VIDEO: tractor bucket snow edge - YouTube


11. I have several large trees that are in various stages of felling due to storms, hurricanes, etc. I would want to turn them into fire pit fuel, building material, etc. so cutting, moving, dragging, needs to be done.

Tractors are geared down. Large rear wheels provide additional mechanical advantage. Not a difficult tractor task.


12. I would like to turn the level part of the back woods into a fenced pasture area for small animals (goats, sheep, etc.) so that would involve tree removal, soil prep, fencing, etc.


13. I have several places around the house where ugly bushes and overgrown plants exist, I want to dig those out and convert the areas to lawn.

Bucket Spade
LINK: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/328798-bucket-spade-today-fel-bucket.html?highlight=


14. I would like to build a small greenhouse somewhere in the back yard or rear of the property.
15. I am planning to replace a 20x30 deck that will last only another two or three years.
16. I would like to dig and build a root cellar near the house.

Bucket Spade.

This is a start to what I would want to do it seems like an exhausting list but I am hoping with the right sized tractor and implements I could knock these out in a few years. And once I have a tractor I will certainly think of new stuff to do with it.

What size/weight tractor would be the best fit for my property?

I recommend a four wheel drive tractor with a bare tractor weight of 2,200 pouns to 2,800 pounds. Twenty-four horsepower should be ample.

I'm guessing (not totally sure) the implements would include:
a. FEL with SSQA bucket attachment
b. Backhoe (or) <$400 Bucket Spade
c. Post hole auger
d. Box blade - 60" or 66" / 500 pounds
e. Ratchet Rake
VIDEO: tractor ratchet rake - YouTube

f. Pallet Forks - 32" with SSQA attachment to FEL.
g. Field Cultivator

I own a JD X320 for mowing so I would not initially need a mowing implement.


I know just enough about tractors to make a really stupid decision.

I have been looking at the LS brand and think they are the very best value out there. My LS dealer is 30 miles away. Dealer will deliver new tractor free, has full service mechanics, and will pick it up for service.

Transport is often $2 per mile. 30 X 4 (2 round trips) = 120 miles X $2 = $240 transportation.
Four hours mechanic/driver time @ $20+$10= $30 per hour total compensation.


There is nothing wrong with LS tractors.
 

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jeffy, and OP
Pretty comprehansive review of the OP' s project. Not wildly overboard on the tractor weight aspect nor the hp requirement. Didn't even criticize his choice of mfg.

Unless soils are rather sandy, I'd have a concern this bucket spade device could deform my bucket edge. Likely difficult to resist prying with it. Soil consistency in Southern Maryland????

The use of a rental excavator is sound advice. However, Unless the OP is proficient with the controls, rental costs will rival cost to hire a contractor. The contractor provides production expertise included in the cost. An excavator is more efficient and precice in root removal in conjunction w/ stump and bush/ small tree extraction. Not a fan of the root rake "thing"

I might rent a rototiller for ground prep subsequent to root removal. The cultivator will become a lawnweight after the project. (jeffy generally refers to his own threads, an ego thing)

Aerating is best performed by implement designed for this task. If the garden is a perpetual endeavor, I have straight blades on a rototiller that cut slots in the soil. Excellent for plant root growth, fertilizer absorption and water/rainwall, plus alleviate soil compaction. A rototiller may be worth a purchase. Befco offers a removable bar, quick to change. One bar w/ straight tines for aeration, another with C or L tines for ground engagement.

The ground cover may be a viable solution in shaded areas. Agree w/ jeffy for bullet berm solution. Enough said.

Important to remember that owning a tractor isn't always the most efficient or least expensive means to accomplish a list of tasks. You might eliminate considerable frustration in hiring a contractor for the tasks where you lack familiarity. Combine the tasks on the list for expedited completion, the sooner the big stuff is done the sooner you can proceed W/ those in your comfort zone and enjoy the property.

You mentioned a nearby farm as a resource. They likely have implements that may assist you absent a purchase. Before you purchase implements, honestly try to assess how often they will be repetitively used. There are too many folks w/ a barn full of tools they seldom use.
Great source of access for the relatives and neighbors however..


More folks will offer opinions, no single contributor is equipped to offer a complete solution to individual questions. You have seen the conditions, everyone else is seeing the tasks through your eyes, not their own, reversing that scenario could produce a different set of suggestions.

Try to negotiate free transportation during the warranty period. A stretch, yet worth an attempt.
 
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I can't advise on tractor choice but as a landscaper, a few comments on your to-do list....

+1 on everything Jeff and the Major said, esp:

Hire a man w/ a big excavator to knock over the trees, which will also uproot the stumps. If you want the wood, ask them to leave the trunks, the tops if you want them, and pay them to take the stumps. Tree work is dangerous and backbreaking. A 12" diameter tree can hurt ya. Stump removal is a godawful job. If you don't believe it, do one and then get back to us....

No grass grows well in even partial shade. Agree think about a nice low groundcover, plus you won't have to mow it, around trees. Very difficult to convert *woods* into good pasture.

You'll never keep deer out of your property. :)

Standard distance between fence posts is 8' not 10'. If you're flush for cash, this is another good job to hire out--at least the posts, then you can hang the wire or rails yourself, if you're so inclined.

A field cultivator seems like way overkill for a family garden plot on a 4-acre property. You might want to google "no-till gardening" and "permaculture" then decide for yourself about that.

As far as renovating the lawn, best methods depend on current conditions. Would need more info (sun/shade, type of soil, what's growing there now, % of good grass existing).

MUCH depends on what part of southern Maryland you are in. Eastern Shore? Potomac? Completely different soil/terrain.

Welcome to TBN!
 
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Unless I missed something, I don't see any on-going maintenance tasks really, just specific list of projects that once done leave no need to maintain a tractor.

If that were me, it would be difficult choice to buy a tractor + all that goes with it to accomplish these projects with a small machine vs just renting a larger piece of construction equipment and knocking out what would be tough tasks for a moderate TLB with ease. Once you've sunk $25k+ into tractor and attachments....that's a LOT of rentals. Especially if you rent on Friday, return on Monday, and knock out what you can over a 3-day weekend. Where I rent, doing that way is 1 day rental as long as I'm not grossly over 8 hrs on the machine.
 

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