Mahindra 5525 2WD

[magyarbacsi]

It seems today's tractors are a Heinz 57. The motor from one country, the transaxle from another, etc. Anybody know what motor is in the 5525 and what transmision. The Italian tranny that is in the 4110 is no the same as it is limited to 43 HP. I've seen Daedong motors and they seem to be clean and smooth casting. The motor in the 5525 has a rough casting.
I"m also having a Mahindra (Bradco) 509 backhoe mounted ona 4 point mount that they hac to modif off a 4 wheel drive unit. I called Bradco and they said as long as the weigh and horsepower are there, there is no reason why it would not work on a 2 wd. The dealer and Bradco thinks the 5525 is a new model and mounts have not been fabricared. Side by side the 4 wd identical in the mounting.

Anybody have ideas. By the way, got a good price fro loader/backhoe and tracror, 27k out the door in Olympia.

 

[D Miller]

As far as I can tell the 5525 is manufactured by Mahindra in India. The engine seems to be much the same as the one in the 5500. The transmission is a bit different but similar to the one in the 5500 2wd.

 

[bindian]

It seems today's tractors are a Heinz 57. The motor from one country, the transaxle from another, etc. Anybody know what motor is in the 5525 and what transmision. The Italian tranny that is in the 4110 is no the same as it is limited to 43 HP. I've seen Daedong motors and they seem to be clean and smooth casting. The motor in the 5525 has a rough casting.
I"m also having a Mahindra (Bradco) 509 backhoe mounted ona 4 point mount that they hac to modif off a 4 wheel drive unit. I called Bradco and they said as long as the weigh and horsepower are there, there is no reason why it would not work on a 2 wd. The dealer and Bradco thinks the 5525 is a new model and mounts have not been fabricared. Side by side the 4 wd identical in the mounting.

Anybody have ideas. By the way, got a good price fro loader/backhoe and tracror, 27k out the door in Olympia.

Magyarbacsi,
Are you getting the PTO pump for the backhoe? You might want to read ........PTO Pump (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page) Since your 5525 has a hydraulic pump similiar in size to a 4110, you might want to consider the PTO pump for your 509. I suspect Dougster with his 4110 & 509 will be getting one soon.
hugs, Brandi

 

[magyarbacsi]

Never having the luxury of owning a loader& backhoe, I will have to wait to see if my limited skills of using one will surpass it's limit. So far I have maintained my 9 acres with my older but faithful Massey and a brush hog and pick and shovel. Thats getting old and decided to modernize as I'm thinking of retiring and spending more time on my hobby farm.

Per Bradco, the 509 requires 8-12 gpm of fluid for optimum performance. The 5522 puts out 10.5. Thats mid range. The PTO pump is an option and will see if what I want, mainly clearing creek beds, a few stumps and so forth needs any extra help. I'm new to these"exotic" machines and will have to see.

I have mostly used brush hogs, box scraper and rock rake with my '74 Massey 165. I hope the Mahindra will have the longevity and be as reliable.
I took my grand kids to the Pyulup fare today and looked at some more tractors. Still convinced that for the money and simplicity, the Mahindra was the right choice, But will keep my Massey as a back up. To show you how much I use a tractror, in eight years since I acquired the land, a little over a 100 hours on the Massey that now has 3700 hrs. The previous owner did have to rebuild the clutch and it has developed a few dribbles, but not enough to affect it's performance.

 

[Dougster]

Magyarbacsi, Are you getting the PTO pump for the backhoe? You might want to read... PTO Pump (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page) Since your 5525 has a hydraulic pump similiar in size to a 4110, you might want to consider the PTO pump for your 509. I suspect Dougster with his 4110 & 509 will be getting one soon.
hugs, Brandi

Per Bradco, the 509 requires 8-12 gpm of fluid for optimum performance. The 5522 puts out 10.5. Thats mid range. The PTO pump is an option and will see if what I want, mainly clearing creek beds, a few stumps and so forth needs any extra help. I'm new to these"exotic" machines and will have to see.

The Dougster will know very soon if his 9.5 GPM tractor pump is truly adequate or not. It certainly isn't "optimum" in my judgement... especially since the second remote set was installed adding yet another small restriction and/or possible slight bypass source. Big job coming up starting next week that will test the 509 to the absolute max. I have a JD110 on hot standby in case the 509 with a mere 9.5 GPM falls short.

And just to correct one minor point. The latest published specs from Bradco put their "optimum range" for the 509/511 at 9 to 12 GPM with a reported 14 GPM bypass valve setpoint. A 509/511 run at 8 GPM is useless (in my opinion) for all but the easiest & most undemanding tasks. Those various Internet listings still showing 8 to 12 GPM are mostly ancient data on dealer websites. I think the dealers still like to post the old 8-12 range 'cause they can sell more units that way.

All that being said, I'm guessing you will be in pretty good shape at 10.5 GPM. Not super-great, but certainly adequate for most needs. I am probably more picky than most... and may even be suffering some degradation in performance on my particular machine. I'm still looking into that possibility.

To me, the real trick here will be getting that backhoe mounting right. If you can do that and do it right, the rest should be easy! I would only further ask: Why a 509 and not the 511?

Dougster

 

[magyarbacsi]

The dealer is mounting the BH using a 4pnt subframe. The soil on my property is very easy to dig. I have dug at various spots on the 9 acre and have never encounterd hard pan or obstacles, except for roots near the many alders on it. Being new to such units as FEL and BH and after doing some research, the 509 seemed to be a good allaround unit. This is mainly a hobby farm with a log house I built and just to keep the grounds managable. If it was up to the wife, she'd make it look like a golf course. My Massey with just a brush hog and box blase has done that quite well, so the FEL and BH will be a bonus.

I have seldom used (rented a smaller Kubota) and never owned an FEL or BH hence my skills of using them is relatively none. I do fly radio controled airplanes and the dual joy sticks are similar in that each stick controls various functions and can be used simultaneously. A friend of mine who owns tractors with such units and is also a pilot said that if I can use the rc unit to fly, I'll have no problem adapting it to the tractor use. We'll see in a few weeks.

 

[Dougster]

The dealer is mounting the BH using a 4pnt subframe. The soil on my property is very easy to dig. I have dug at various spots on the 9 acre and have never encounterd hard pan or obstacles, except for roots near the many alders on it. Being new to such units as FEL and BH and after doing some research, the 509 seemed to be a good allaround unit. This is mainly a hobby farm with a log house I built and just to keep the grounds managable. If it was up to the wife, she'd make it look like a golf course. My Massey with just a brush hog and box blase has done that quite well, so the FEL and BH will be a bonus. I have seldom used (rented a smaller Kubota) and never owned an FEL or BH hence my skills of using them is relatively none. I do fly radio controled airplanes and the dual joy sticks are similar in that each stick controls various functions and can be used simultaneously. A friend of mine who owns tractors with such units and is also a pilot said that if I can use the rc unit to fly, I'll have no problem adapting it to the tractor use. We'll see in a few weeks.

I hope I'm not given the wrong impression here. The Bradco 509 & 511 are excellent, powerful backhoes... perhaps the best available for tractor frame mounting (unless you happen to include the Bradco 609 & 611 in that category). My disappointment is purely with the match-up between the 509 and the Mahindra 4110... and, more specifically, with my particular machine.

When I first got my hands on the 509, I was extremely impressed. But as time has gone on, I have encountered tasks where the 509 has disappointed me... or more precisely, the combo of 4110+509+me has disappointed me. I was going to buy a PTO pump right off the bat, but I was talked out of it by the original selling dealer who insisted it was more about increased speed than increased digging power. But as more and more performance shortfalls mount up, I am revisiting the idea of doing the PTO pump thang (albeit my own design and not Bradco's or Mahindra's). This tractor and backhoe are my sole livelihood right now and I can't afford to be running to the rental store for a JD110 each time the 509 falls a little short on a paying job.

Dougster

 

[magyarbacsi]

Dougster, can you be more spasific? Is the frame of the 4110 not strong enough, the hydraulic not putting out enough gpm, or...?
If I made my living with such machines I would probably think different than a Mahindra. Maybe. I wanted as simple as possible machine, but a strong utility tractor where I can justify the purchase. I dont want a hydrostat tranny nor turbo motor. Fine and handy when they work, but extra stuff to go wrong later.
In the event that I decide to move mountains and need the extra flow, how much is a pto pump and the tank to increase the flow rate. Are these units not set up for certain psi? Will the extra pump increase the pressure or thr flow rate or both?

 

[Dougster]

Dougster, can you be more spasific? Is the frame of the 4110 not strong enough, the hydraulic not putting out enough gpm, or...?
If I made my living with such machines I would probably think different than a Mahindra. Maybe. I wanted as simple as possible machine, but a strong utility tractor where I can justify the purchase. I dont want a hydrostat tranny nor turbo motor. Fine and handy when they work, but extra stuff to go wrong later. In the event that I decide to move mountains and need the extra flow, how much is a pto pump and the tank to increase the flow rate. Are these units not set up for certain psi? Will the extra pump increase the pressure or thr flow rate or both?

The frame is fine. The tractor would likely be a lot more stable if I loaded the tires, but I'm already marginal on trailering weight. In my opinion, the deficiency is mainly with the hydraulic system... and I believe I could use both more flow and possibly a bit more operating pressure.

I didn't start out to buy the 4110+509. My first choice was actually a slightly used JD110, but I blew it (timing-wise) on that purchase. Recently, I have looked at "upgrading" my backhoe capability by adding a second machine to the "fleet"... possibly a Yanmar CBL40 or one of the larger Mahindras which could accept a Bradco 611. I have even been scoping out used full-size backhoes. I absolutely love the Mahindra 4110 for general tractor & FEL work, but I'm still convinced that I could get better performance out of the 509 with a PTO pump. One of the two backhoe jobs coming up next week will likely make the decision for me.

I won't speak to the Bradco/Mahindra PTO pump offering as others here own them and know far more about them than I do. If (or when) I go to a PTO pump, it will likely be a Prince brand heavy-duty cast iron PTO pump with the remainder of the system designed, procured and built by moi. I intend to run at ~14 GPM at ~2,000 engine RPM. The Prince pump is limited to 2,250 PSIG max operating pressure, so it would be nice to find one rated at or nearer to 2,500 PSIG, the maximum allowed operating pressure for the 509. I anticipate the total "do-it-yourself" cost at under $1,000.

Dougster

 

[bindian]

Never having the luxury of owning a loader& backhoe, I will have to wait to see if my limited skills of using one will surpass it's limit. So far I have maintained my 9 acres with my older but faithful Massey and a brush hog and pick and shovel. Thats getting old and decided to modernize as I'm thinking of retiring and spending more time on my hobby farm.

Per Bradco, the 509 requires 8-12 gpm of fluid for optimum performance. The 5522 puts out 10.5. Thats mid range. The PTO pump is an option and will see if what I want, mainly clearing creek beds, a few stumps and so forth needs any extra help. I'm new to these"exotic" machines and will have to see.

I have mostly used brush hogs, box scraper and rock rake with my '74 Massey 165. I hope the Mahindra will have the longevity and be as reliable.
I took my grand kids to the Pyulup fare today and looked at some more tractors. Still convinced that for the money and simplicity, the Mahindra was the right choice, But will keep my Massey as a back up. To show you how much I use a tractror, in eight years since I acquired the land, a little over a 100 hours on the Massey that now has 3700 hrs. The previous owner did have to rebuild the clutch and it has developed a few dribbles, but not enough to affect it's performance.

Magyarbacsi,
Oops, I was looking at the pump displacement for the 3325 and 3525. You should be alright with 10.5 gpm.
hugs, Brandi