Loader cylinder repair

[bones1]

Anyone know where I can get spanner wrenches for taking the nuts loose on the loader cylinders? I have to replace leaking seals,only 28 hours...strange? Is it possible on a new machine that they just need to be tightened? What do you guys use for this. Thanks. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[JerryG]

If it is that new, let the dealer fix it under warranty.

 

[Hooked_on_HP]

The way I usualy do it is with a hammer and punch. I can never seem to get enough leverage with a spanner wrench. With only 28 hrs on a loader I'd be talking to the dealer about fixing it. I would think you have another problem, like the pressure relief set to high. If you don't find out what caused these to blow the new set will also

 

[john_bud]

I bought mine off ebay

WRIGHT #9633 4-1/2"-6-1/4" ADJ. HOOK SPANNER WRENCHES

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4363164079&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

The guy's store has a lot of tools and decent pricing.

Wright makes a good one. Google around, best price I found was ebay. Local tool places would have to order one in and would only do that on the MONTHLY order and would CHARGE me for the shipping and had higher prices. Duh?

If you see a Mac or Snap-on truck you can flag em down and get one.


If you need a pin spanner, you can google for it. Oddly enough, there is almost no China Junk and they are all about $50.

jb

 

[bones1]

Thanks guys. Dealer is 3.5 hrs away and if it is just loose maybe I can fix them.has anyone seen them loose on a new tractor? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[bones1]

Do I need the adjustable hook or adjustable pin style spanner.Which model is best. thanks again.4in might be too big. Think I need a #9632,but can't find one.

 

[JerryG]

Nothing should be loose, but I think that I have seen everything that way on new tractors at one time or another.
If your cylinder has notches, you can use a punch to tighten it up.

 

[AntrimMan]

Different loader manufacturers use different cylinder manufacturers who in turn use various styles of gland nuts on various cylinder models.
Rigid pin spanners made by Armstrong can be bought from MSC for around $20.-
You can make one yourself if you are handy.
It is easier to tighten or remove the gland nut with the cylinder in place on the loader.
My experience has been that they are tighter than you may expect and a 5 foot persuader might be needed on the end of the wrench.
A picture of your gland nut would be worth a thousand words to someone recommending tools.
If only one is leaking then it can be a few things causing it. If every one is leaking then there may be a pressure problem with the relief not suitably set for the type of seals in the gland nut.

 

[bones1]

Thanks. Only the two boom cylinders are leaking.
The left one loses more than the right.It has now covered my left tire.I will try to get some pics and post them. Thanks so much for your help so far.Dealer says they must be bent but I doubt it because I haven't lifted a full bucketfull yet.He is shipping new seals if thats any consolation.

 

[bones1]

Somewhat of a picture.They are leaking real good now.

 

[bones1]

another pic

 

[bones1]

another

More pictures.

 

[john_bud]

Bones1,

We need to see the end of the cylinder where the rod goes in. NOT the side. Can you get some more pics?

Thanks,

jb

 

[AndyMA]

Somewhat of a picture.They are leaking real good now.

the chances that tightening them will cure anything is about zero. I wouldn't touch them. I'd call the dealer and ask if his remote truck is ever in your area and could pick up the cylinders. Otherwise, I would take them off and either deliver them to him or ship them. If you mess with them, the chances of him covering them under warranty are slim. If both cylinders are bad, then chances are that something was left out at the factory. What brand loader/tractor is it?

Andy

 

[AndyMA]

.He is shipping new seals if thats any consolation.

I change my opinion on my previous post. Why not ask him to ship you new loader cylinders. Let him deal with the bad ones.

Andy

 

[BobReeves]

Second what Andy said, tightning stuff won't fix it. The cylinders need to be returned so the manfacture can see what went wrong..

 

[EddieWalker]

I'm with the other guys in agreement that tightening them will accomplish nothing. There are some very specialized seals that keep the fluid from leaking and at the very least, they need to be replaced. Since it only has 28 hours on it, I'm thinking there might be other problems. Are you sure about the hours? Are you covered under warantee? If so, doing it yourself will probably violate your warantee. This can be very bad if it's something more serious than just some bad seals.

I paid $80 for my spanner wrench. It's adjustable and takes a 3/4 inch breaker bar. I had to get a Proto because the cheap ones just bent. Allot of times I also have to torch the fitting to melt the Loctite that's on the threads. Even then, I need to put a ten foot pipe onto my breaker bar to get them off. But I have full sized tractors, so it's a bit of a nightmare when I rebuild mine.

Right now I've spent two days trying to get one apart on my backhoe. I finally got it off after breaking the bolts on my spanner three times and loosing one of the teeth. I ended up welding a bolt into the hole and beating it off with a hammer. Half a day of beating it to bet it an eighth of an inch. This evening I have it a full turn and will finish taking it off tomorrow. Sometimes it's cheaper to drive it to the dealer and pay them to fix it.

Good luck,
Eddie

 

[bones1]

Great ideas guys.Tractor is a Farmtrac 300DTC.It's a nice machine,except for the leaking cylinders.Dealer says he shipped new seals and that Farmtrac can't ship whole cylinders. I suppose I have to pay labor or drive to Richmond and drop it off.Should I call Farmtrac and request new cylinders?.Tractor is new,30 hours now and leaking more each day.I can replace whole cylinders myself but re-sealing them would be a new adventure,one I don't think I should have to do myself.
Takes me a while but I'm starting to get pissed now.

 

[Farwell]

I agree with the other guys. The low hours of use on your tractor and your dealer not willing to jump right in and take care of the problem leads me to wonder if you actually bought a new tractor, a manufacture deffect, or a part left out during assembly.
Getting angry with the dealer may help you get started on getting them to help you but blowing off steam at them may not help. When I have this type of problem I want to do a face to face with the person I have to deal with and politely request that they take care of the problem that should be covered by warranty. Then if he will not take care of the problem, contact the manufacturer rep and let him know of your problem.
The dealer telling you that the cylinder shafts are bent causing your problem makes me question the dealers sincerity, using the bury your head in the sand approach of its not our fault, it must be something you did. It was fine when it left our dealership. IMHO
Farwell

 

[bones1]

Thanks Farwell. I appreciate your input very much.I am still waiting for the seals to repair the cylinders. Should I not touch them until I get hold of a Farmtrac factory rep?.If I try to reseal the cylinders it will probably void any warranty,such as it is.Don't know what to do,still thinking about it,and still leaking.