LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740

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I am about to order a semi-load of goods delivered on pallets. Each pallet will weigh right at 2000lbs + the weight of the palette.

I have a L5740HST /ROP, a QC pallet fork I purchased from North American Implement (?). I don't have wheel weights or filled tires.

I do not know quite how to decipher the LA854 lift capacity spec. I don't want the semi load to show up and get caught with the inability to unload. Would I be fine with a rear ballast of an approx 1500lb bale of hay?
 
   / LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740 #2  
"854" is approximate lift capacity in kilograms. 854 x 2.2 = 1,880 pounds, so you are a tad over max.

You will certainly need 3-Pt weight, if hay I would wet it thoroughly.

Are you sure the forks have enough strength?

Is the ground where you will maneuver the tractor hard, smooth and level?

Test on the first pallet. Lift, then have the driver move the truck out from under the load before lowering it.

Have one or more people steady the load with ropes from a distance.

If you are inexperienced order delivery on a truck with a platform lift and take delivery of load on the ground.

Max lifts are dangerous.
 
   / LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740
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"854" is approximate lift capacity in kilograms. 854 x 2.2 = 1,880 pounds, so you are a tad over max.

You will certainly need 3-Pt weight, if hay I would wet it thoroughly.

Are you sure the forks have enough strength?

Is the ground where you will maneuver the tractor hard, smooth and level?

Test on the first pallet. Lift, then have the driver move the truck out from under the load before lowering it.

Have one or more people steady the load with ropes from a distance.

If you are inexperienced order delivery on a truck with a platform lift and take delivery of load on the ground.

Max lifts are dangerous.

I am pretty paranoid. Lift gates aren't an option, however. I do have a good, solid, flat area. I am considering having the goods delivered to a secondary place with a dock-high bay where I can pick up individual pallets with my truck/trailer and floor-jack them around.
 
   / LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740 #4  
In this case, paranoid is good.

Safety first. You know how "tippy" tractors feel with a load on the FEL.

Plan "B" is wise. Good luck.
 
   / LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740 #5  
Use the dock. 853/854 will not lift 2000 lb 4 ft deep pallet from back of truck if the forks are on a q/a. You can just curl the pallet off barely and it is touchy. I got caught by this as I had moved the pallets fine at ground level but the lift drops off as you raise the loader.

You need ballast too, I had loaded tires and 1200 lb snowblower 4 ft off the rear of the tractor.

I should have know as I tried to unload a pallet of rubber mats previously that didn't work either.
 
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Ok. Thanks all. Plan A is definately off the table. Plan B is the dock-high bay. Plan C is seeing if I can get the shipper to double the pallet count and cut down weight to 1000 lbs. I know I can deal with that safely, but I am pretty sure they will charge me extra. I would probably be cheaper than my gas to/from the dock, though.
 
   / LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740 #7  
Without question you will need rear weight...the rear hay bale is a MUST. I am not sure you will need to water it to gain extra weight.

The rear weight will keep you from tipping the tractor over. At 2000 or so lbs on a fork lift, if the hydraulics will not lift it, then the relief valve will properly give way and you will hear a hissing sound as you seek to lift the pallet. You will hurt nothing by trying and hitting the relief valve limit.

I recommend, very strongly, you have the hydraulic pressure relief valve checked before you take delivery. It is adjustable. Very, very typically it comes from the factory set at below max spec...which is somewhere around 2800 lbs if memory serves. There have been several TBN members, myself included, who had it checked, found to be significantly under max spec, and raised to max spec by the dealer. Cost me $35 plus drive time and diesel to get to and from the dealer. Excellent results...I am able to lift 2800 lbs with my FEL...no attachment, using chains...to height of about a foot now. Before adjustment, was unable to lift off the ground. My L5030 and loader are slightly less tractor than your L5740.

Last hint...I've had a few pallet fork loads that lifted a load to within 6 inches or so of what I needed before relief valve gave way. My son was, rather easily, able to manually push up on the load while I operated the hydraulics and that way I achieved the additional needed height. The hydraulics will prevent the load from falling....once it is up...

Make SURE your front tires are aired up to max spec on the rim...probably 24 lbs or so....otherwise, heavy load will roll an under inflated tire off the rim.

I've done what you are attempting to do, numerous times...which is to operate at the max FEL lift limit. The HST is your friend...go extremely slow until you are experienced. Do NOT try to make fast/sharp turns ...carry the load low while moving. Use 2500 rpm or PTO speed all the time you are doing this...provides max hydraulic pressure.

My net....if you prepare...rear weight, front tire air, relief valve max pressure, flat firm surface, be able to lift (with assist if necessary) pallet and move a short distance to ground...it'll work just fine for you.

Note, because of geometry and physics, a FEL can lift most lbs close to ground level. As the load gets higher, the load on the hydraulics gets heavier and thus the relief valve gets closer to tripping. In my case, very heavy loads can be lifted a foot, maybe 18 inches before the valve releases. Operate the FEL stick VERY SLOWLY...AVOID ANY SUDDEN MOTIONS...you do not want to have the load jerk or bounce...really puts pressure on the hydraulics.

An idea...get a pallet, load with known weight, try things out before the load arrives. Maybe bags of dirt, fertilizer, or??
 
   / LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740 #8  
At 60" the la 854 will lift 2509 lbs 500 mm forward of the lower pins. And 3097 lbs at the pins I've done the free body diagram and have an equation you can use to estimate how much far out the center of gravity can be to lift a pallet at 60" for a given weight
Lw= load weight (lbs)
Dcg= distance of CG of load weight from lower pins (m)

Dcg = (6605 lbs x m/Lw) - 2.133 m

So a load weighing 2100 lbs
Could be lifted with a CG located 1.01 m forward of your pins which is just over 39".
Now assuming the pallets are loaded uniformly you would divide the depth by 2 and add the distance from the front face of your forks to the lower pin while the loader is level at 60" this distance changes with loader height.
If your pallet is 42" deep the CG would be 21" forward plus the fork distance to the pin say 10" for example would be a total of 31" less than the 39"
If the load was 2200 lbs Dcg is .87m 34"

This assumption does not include the weight of the forks but I think kubota includes the weight of the bucket in their calculations

I think there is a good chance you could lift it bassed on this
 
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given these calculations, I'm more confident you could do it....given relief valve set at max specification.
 
   / LA854 Lift Capacity Question on L5740 #10  
My L5740 with the same loader will not lift a pallet with 2000 pound load, at least not enough to really do good. Ballasted to keep the rear down, I can lift a pallet with 2,000 pounds of wheat enough so it is light enough on the floor that I can skid them around. That using all I can get out of the curl and with the loader in the power position, not height position.
 

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