L4610,Rimguard,& Weight

JeffInDaUP · Mar 30, 2001

I will be ordering my L4610 on monday(can't wait!!!) and the dealer recommends rimguard for the R1 rear tires(adds about 1000#'s). Should I add ballast in front tires? Also, the Landpride 72"Box Scraper the dealer has weighs around 500#'s, is this to much weight to rear when FEL is empty and without ballast? What about when FEL is removed? Many of you have suggested a much heavier boxscraper than 500#'s-is this because of the added weight it gives?, or will the lighter one not be as durable? Have to go over a 100 miles to buy a heavier one-Heavier Landpride(retractable or rollover) is in $2000.00 range. Sorry for the questions of in-experience! Thanks for the continued help!

Jeff...MI.

Bird · Mar 30, 2001

<font color=blue>Should I add ballast in front tires?</font color=blue>

No, the manual recommends against it, and I doubt that it would be any benefit.

<font color=blue>Box Scraper the dealer has weighs around 500#'s, is this to much weight to rear when FEL is empty and without ballast? What about when FEL is removed? Many of you have suggested a much heavier boxscraper than 500#'s-is this because of the added weight it gives?, or will the lighter one not be as durable?</font color=blue>

That will not be too much weight at any time. Heavier ones give you more counter balance when using the front end loader and get a better "bite" when scraping. I would think with rimguard in the rear tires, you will have enough ballast for most jobs. And a lighter blade, if it's too light for the tractor, might bend, break welds, etc., but I suspect what your dealer has will hold up pretty well.

Bird

Thomas · Mar 30, 2001

Thats great news to read Jeff. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
I was wonder why you settle on the L4610 compare to the L48 etc..
Sounds like your going to miss two days of work,this coming Monday and when your new Kubota arrives. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Anonymous Poster · Mar 30, 2001

Re: L4610,Rimguard,& Weight (scale research)

Hi Jeff,

I have been doing a lot of "looking-into" this issue, (was considering the rimguard, myself), and am just awhile short of posting some actual weight figures w/ various implements on/off the tractor (JD4700). I have the heavy (1000#+) Landpride scraper(H3578), and a nearly-as-heavy Bush-hog mower. Also a fel (460) w/Long 4in1 bucket(heavy!) and a 48 backhoe.

My tractor is nearly ready, and there is a highway weigh-station about 2-blocks away that has a dig-readout scale that is always in service, even when the scale is unattended (often!). I am going to make numerous trips to the scale with /without every combination of attachments I can think-of, weighing the whole rig as well as front and rear axle loads separately, to get distribution figures. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif

This will tell me exactly what I am doing with any added front or rear ballast I might add. (I have a number of 180# blocks of steel I am going to make "attachable" to the front or reart of the tractor, to replace the loader or the backhoe when I don't wish to have them on the rig for whatever reason.

For what it's worth, I've decided (so-far) NOT to use wheel-wts or liquid-fill if it can be avoided.

The tractor will weigh in-the-neighborhood of 7000# (bucket empty) to 8500#(full bucket) in the various configurations, so I'm betting that that will be sufficient "heft"[and traction - Michelin radials on rear(ala Chalkley), and extra-wide front tires] to get good effect from any ground-engagement equipment. (weight includes good-size hyd. cylinders for "top and tilt" and valves/plumbing for 3rd,4th,5th SCV's etc.)

Then when I want the tractor "lighter" for mowing/whatever, I won't be stuck with the problem of removing wheel weights(difficult) or liquid-fill (forget it!). /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif

As for stability, the wide stance of my tractor (about 7'2" to the outside of the rear tread) and the low-CG with the weight placement I intend, along with fel/backhoe caution, should be more than adequate.

Don't know if these comments will be helpful to you or not. Pretty sure the figures I get from the scales will be! If you're not in too-big a hurry to make some of these decisions, might be worth holding-off awhile. (Our tractors are in the same "ballpark" sizewise, since mine is bigger in some ways than a "standard" 4700.

All the figuring (diagrams are a big help,... and a solid understanding of "leverage") and the measurements needed to dope this out, would make quite a lengthy post.

But I plan such a "full-report" when my scale-research is complete,... hoping that it will be of sufficient help/interest to the members, to be worth the trouble. It will be "worth it' to me, in any case, because I like to know-what-I'm doing with this kind of stuff /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif .

Good luck with your rig /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif !

Larry

JeffInDaUP · Mar 30, 2001

Re: L4610,Rimguard,& Weight (scale research)

Thomas,
The L48 looks pretty good but what are the main differences beside FEL capabilities? Can I still buy an enclosed cab? Price is also a big consideration-I'm really pushing it right now! Although, your talking to someone who looked at the L3010 for the first month(even drove one) and am settling on the L4610!-anything is possible!!

Jeff...MI.

HR_Mutt · Mar 31, 2001

JeffInDaUP
Congrat's on selecting the L4610, I think you'll love it. My dealer loaded all 4 tires with rimguard(O.S. Turfs)on 4610.I have not picked up a larger box scraper yet, however the 4 footer off the B7100 did get a good workout in frozen driveway gravel!With the tines all the way extended, as soon as I broke thru, just let box fill up and ripped up the entire area to be worked on. Was colder than .... but had a blast.Regards.
HR_Mutt