Kubota RTV900 v Polaris Ranger

   / Kubota RTV900 v Polaris Ranger #1  

jfdlaw

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Webster, NY
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Kubota 2410
Background: We own 13 acres of hilly land on the shore of an upstate NY lake. The house is 130 feet above the water. We access the dock and waterfront area via an old dirt trail 6-10 feet wide. We’re not allowed to run “motor vehicles” (road going vehicles) up and down the trail, but “ATV” use is allowed. Most of the time we’re transporting people, toys and gear up and down the hill, but we also pull a chipper and log splitter each spring and fall, spread wood chips on the trail, haul leaves and brush and collect firewood.

We’ve had a Polaris Ranger 6x6 for the past two years, but the dual rear axels tore up the lawn and trail too much and I decided to sell it and buy a 4x4 utility vehicle. Everything I read about the Kubota sounded like it was the perfect machine. My other choice was a Polaris Professional 4x4 (lower gearing than the regular ranger). I drove both during the past two weeks and came to the following conclusions:

Kubota has a great machine, but they made a few mistakes. It’s a lot more machine than the Polaris and the price difference should be greater.

It's strengths: three cylinder diesel, hydrostatic drive, power steering, tailgate hinge and latch.

The mistakes:

First, they stupidly decided to locate the parking brake and power dump control to the left of the seat, shortening the seat. The power dump should be on the side of the vehicle, where you can operate it when standing next to it watching the box, but they shouldn't have put it next to the seat. Even though the vehicle is the same width as the Polaris, the seat is 6-8 inches narrower. We frequently carry three adults on the Polaris. You can't carry more than two on the Kubota.

Second, they have the hydrostatic drive adjusted poorly when it comes to let off of the accelerator. When I drove it I could not get it to stop smoothly. As soon as you let pressure off the accelerator it jerks to a stop and throws you off the seat. They need to adopt Deere’s system to adjust how quickly the Hydro drive stops the vehicle when you let your foot off the accelerator.

Third, like many Kubotas, the cockpit is too cramped. There is less legroom and less room from the seat to the dash than the Polaris, which is surprising since the dump box is longer and they could have made the cockpit more spacious. (Orange fans: I want to love your tractors, I just find the operating areas cramped compared to Deere and New Holland - Are they designed with Americans in mind?)

If I had to choose either a Utility Vehicle OR a tractor, I would buy the Kubota utility vehicle. I think it’s more rugged. The hydro drive system should far outlast the Polaris Belt system. Three cylinder diesel compared to one cylinder gas. The tailgate is a much better design. The Polaris hinge gets clogged with dirt and mulch, the latch is weak and the retaining cables get jammed after a few uses.

However I'm going to buy a tractor, and I can use the tractor for the tough duty (towing a chipper up the hill, etc.). I need to buy a utility vehicle that is more polished and user friendly for other tasks, like transporting people.

I wanted to love the Kubota, but I'm going with the Polaris.
 
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Welcome to the TBN /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Try posting your inquiry in the "ATV & Utility Vehicle" forum. You may get quicker responce and better information.
 
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I thought this was the ATV and Utility Vehicle forum? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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The post was moved from the buying forum.
 
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Ah, that makes sense now.

Thanks Doc.
 
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jfdlaw,
I have looking at the Polaris and the Mule for awhile now. I got to see the Kubota at the NYS farm show a couple weeks ago. My wife also wanted a bigger seat. Given that this is their first year, I'd say Kubota hit a home run ( not a grand slam, as you eloquently indicated) with this machine. For what I would do with it, I would take it with its flaws over all the others ( with Bobcat in second place).I think Kubota may refine the offering down the road. I live near you and have friends out on the Webster bluffs, so I don't disagree for your needs that your choice makes sense. I just wonder how the pricing can be so high for so much less machine. I always knew I would overpay to buy the Ranger or Mule, just not this badly. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
   / Kubota RTV900 v Polaris Ranger
  • Thread Starter
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Marty, I agree on the pricing. If the Kubota is a $11,000 machine the Polaris and Ranger should be $6,000 to $7,000. By the way, if you are looking for a Polaris or Mule, try requesting quotes from multiple dealers. I got quotes from a high of $9,400 to a low of $8,449 for a Polaris Professional 4x4. All from the dealers named on the Polaris web site for this area.
I'm sure the Kubota won't be discounted for at least a year. I don't know about mules. They have a similar parking brake issue and I haven't looked at them for a few years.
 
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I've looked at all the units for several months now. Haven't seen an industrial ranger in person but would like to know more about them. The Kubota shouldn't be even in the same mix with the Ranger and I wouldn't put the Rhino in the same mix. The kubota after test driving it is more of a work around the farm vehicle. The Ranger is also a work around the farm however can be used for recreational off roading. The speed and under carriage puts it in a different category. The Rhino doing 50 MPH two seater and cargo capacity puts it somewhere in the off road good time vehicle. I would agree on thing.. the price of a 4x4 ranger around 8900.00 is a bit steep when compared to the well built Kubota at around 9900.00. Just hard to compare anything to the likes of a 3 cly diesel engine with hydro stat but on a really strong frame.

I'd buy a kubota today if it just went about 40 mph..
 
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Interesting review.

Well, at least the RTV does not have a 2 bucket seat design like the Gator. You are still going to be uncomfortable seating 3 people on the Polaris bench seat even if it does have an extra 6-8 inches. Does that Polaris have 3 seat belts? If not, it would be unsafe to operate the vehicle with 3 people. The RTV's type of parking brake design is a good/proven design used by the Mule and many cars. The dump bed control lever is in a good location...easy access to it for when you are sitting & backing up or standing to the side of the unit when dumping stuff. A severe sudden stop issue while driving/braking is not normal and the dealer should take a look at it accordingly. Also, with a little more practice you can probably get it to stop smoother.

Checkout the new L-Series tractors with its more comfortable & spacious cockpit area (legroom)...Kubota is addressing such concerns/issues. Any ways, that's my 2 cents worth on addressing the RTV "mistakes". /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Enjoy whatever products you go with...it sounds like you know what you want and need!
 
   / Kubota RTV900 v Polaris Ranger
  • Thread Starter
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Polaris does have three seat belts and I've used it often with three people, including my 92 year old grandmother. Remember that I'm using it to go up and down hills over a (relatively) small 13 acre parcel. Our trips take 10-20 minutes.

On the Professional Polaris v. Ranger: its hard to get good answers, but the major differences seem to be lower gearing and standard engine braking system. Having owned a Ranger and driven a Professional, I could not spot any other differences (except color). Gearing makes a difference for me. I never used high gear with my 6x6. I think the lower gearing of the Professional better suits my property.

On the Kubota brake and dump box control: I agree its a good position, its just not the best position and I think its a mistake because it turned off people (like me) who want the maximum seat capacity. If the seat was as wide as the Polaris (and it had three seat belts) I would have learned to live with the Hydro drive quirks and bought it. They could have moved the controls a few inches lower or to the side and continued the seat the full width of the machine.

I'll check out the L series. I'm vacilating between a Deere 4410 and a NH TC40D. Maybe I'll go look Orange before I make my decisions.
 

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