Kubota L45 question

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I am looking at a l45 with a push button start like shown in the picture. Turn the key to the on position and then press the button to start.
Has anyone else ever seen this, is this something that should be concerning? Every other kubota I have looked at starts with a turn of the key.
Why would someone do this?
 

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   / Kubota L45 question #2  
The why may have to do with the price or availability of a replacement Kubota ignition switch. When I replaced the ignition switch on my Mitsubishi D2350 I didn't like the price so I got a switch from NAPA then wired a push button to energize the glow plugs. It may be the installer of the push button starter didn't have a start option on the switch he used for the ignition or perhaps didn't know how to connect it.
 
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So, this would not be alarming to you?
 
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So, this would not be alarming to you?
Replace a bad switch with an OEM $100 switch. Or put in a cheap $5 switch. It's not surprising why somebody would do that. If just the start position on the switch is toast it makes perfect sense & would work just fine. Not something I'd do to my current tractor. But I did the same thing on a friend older machine with a busted glow plug circuit.
 
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Replace a bad switch with an OEM $100 switch. Or put in a cheap $5 switch. It's not surprising why somebody would do that. If just the start position on the switch is toast it makes perfect sense & would work just fine. Not something I'd do to my current tractor. But I did the same thing on a friend older machine with a busted glow plug circuit.

A lot of older Cat equipment came from the factory with a push button or lever switch for starting.
 
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So, this would not be alarming to you?

No, I'd want to look over the installation, but I might actually prefer it.

Using one switch to do everything isn't an advantage. It was just the style for awhile, and made little sense electrically or mechanically.

There's a place for key switches. It's a nice safety & privacy device to use to turn on low amperage circuits and activate relays. Older cars and trucks and tractors had it right: a key for the low amperage circuits plus any relays - like glow plugs on a timer relay.
In that application, a key switch is good for low current, inexpensive, and lasts just about forever.
But you still need something to handle the starter and a push button is fine.
For the starter operation adding a momentary contact push button to pass the higher current to the starter makes sense because it is simple and keeps the higher amp starter circuit fom being acidentally energized if the ignition switch fails. For the same reasons of safety, simplicity, and economy the entire lighting circuit was usually also on a separate switch too... It's common to use a dashboard pull switch for that.

Switch failures were just about unknown on those older multiple switched systems on the dashboard.

When they began to put everything into one switch it became complicated to find enough space for the various springs, detents, and high amp contacts. As of result of making it all undersized and packing it into a small container, that old keyed ignition switch went from a dependable ten dollar item to an undependable hundred dollar item.
After designing mechanical/electrical interfaces for awhile, my opinion is that in order to properly design a mutlitple function ignition switchproperly it would end up being much more expensive than it need be.
And even so, it never would have had the advantages of simple separate switches.
rScotty
 
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   / Kubota L45 question #7  
There are other reasons you may have a push button to start the tractor when in the "on" position. Over the years some wires degrade/voltage drops and you have to in essence "jump" the wire that word normally supply the voltage needed to the solenoid.

When this insufficient voltage occurs, some tractor owners install a momentary switch while others install a Ford solenoid that supplies the voltage to engage the starter. If the owner had installed a Ford solenoid instead of a momentary switch, you would not have known.

So your choices are thread a new wire from the ignition key to the original starter solenoid, live with the momentary switch (I ran one tractor with one until selling it), or install the Ford SW3 solenoid in addition to your original one.
 

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Like someone mentioned, just check over the wiring of that switch the best you can. I've done this on a diesel pickup that had a problem somewhere in the glow plug circuit. The guy didn't want to spend a lot more time or $ on it and it worked fine for years until the truck was totaled. Hey, at least you'll have a good idea of where to look if you have any starting issues!! I want an L45 very badly.
 
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My 67 Case 680CK had such a push button. Turn the key counterclockwise and hold for intake air heater (no glow plugs in this engine), release and turn right to energize fuel pump. Push button to start.
 

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