Kubota BX2230 vs. New Holland TZ24

[TDiPatrick]

I'm trying to compare these two tractors, but haven't found a local dealer with both in stock. The spec's on NH's site are a little skimpy on the dimensions. Can anyone familiar with both give me an idea as to how they compare on wheelbase, ground clearance and height to top of ROPS? The NH seems a bit taller - and also a bit more "tippy" tooling around the dealer's lot. I guess I could take a tape measure with me the next time I'm at the NH dealer...

Thanks,
Patrick

 

[kjd]

I have a dealer in CO that has Kubota, NH and Case. If you are just interested in the size difference, the Kubota is smaller and more compact. The NH has more clearance than the Kubota by about 1-2". The NH feels bigger than the Kubota. It is a bit taller, but not much. In a nutshell, it is bigger, but not a dramatic difference. It seems to be a little smaller than the Kubota B7510....there was one on the lot.

I liked the NH because of the guages, the look, the ease of the hood, and the curved FEL arms. But I thought the Kubota was more nimble, rode better and I felt more in control. It is all personal preference, and I recommend getting on both of them.

For me, the difference was the price. I gave up 1-2 hp for a $1300 difference. Also, I would take a look at the JD 2210 if you are looking at the NH...it is a nice tractor with great ergonomics...it to is out of my price range.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I sell both, I'd agree with all this. One thing to add, the TZ25 has some new safty switches that are really annoying.

 

[bandit67]

I have the Case version of the NH you're looking at and I use my neighbor's BX22. The BX22 feels more "tippy" because of the backhoe - I'm sure the BX2230 doesn't feel as "tippy" without the backhoe. I don't think my machine feels all that tippy. The seat on the Case New Hollands sits higher than on the BX, so the operator is physically farther from the ground.

I've noticed you've been asking similar questions about the height, tippyness, etc. on a few different threads - it seems like you aren't too sure about the NH. Since the BX is a little cheaper, why don't you get that one? If you're still looking for justification to buy the NH, then I don't think anyone is going to convince you that it is that much better than the Kubota. Both are fine machines, but I'm sure you'll be perfectly satisfied with the BX2230, as it seems you still have reservations about the NH.

 

[pdub]

To me there is no comparison between the NH and Kubota. The NH TZ22 and TZ25 are by far a superior unit for the following reasons: Sensitrak option (automatic FWD); its only about $200 and is really nice if you want to keep from tearing up your turf and if you have a wife or kids who will be using the tractor. Deere and Kubota don't offer this. Secondly, check out the serviceability. It is very difficult to get to any of the routine service points on the Kubota, but the NH has a one piece flip up hood (on a gas strut) that gives you access to the entire engine. The BX has a shroud that has to be removed by removing four bolts and unplugging the headlights. Third, is the operator's station. NH's superior features include a dual pedal hydro (vs a single pedal), a tachometer, much more comfortable seat, the mower deck height control is at your fingertips (rather than on the floor), much more rigid or sturdy controls (the BX controls flop around), etc etc... Fourth, NH has a 7.9 gal fuel tank vs a 5.3 gal fuel tank on the BX. Fifth, NH has a true category 1 vs a limited category 1 (this means that the NH will hook up to any existing Cat 1 implement). Sixth, if your worried about the "beefiness" of the unit, consider this; the NH has cast iron rear axle castings, while the BX has fabricated steel trumpet housings and the NH weighs slightly more (about 50 lbs). Also, look at the difference in the front axles. Seventh, a 40 amp alternator on the NH vs a 25 amp alternator on the Kubota. Eighth, headlights; four halogen headlights vs two headlights. Ninth, more horsepower; the TZ25 runs at 19 pto hp (versus 16.7) while the TZ22 runs at over 17 pto hp. No, you probably won't feel a difference, just know that you have more hp. Other slights differences include a tin hood (Kubota) vs fiberglass (NH), electric cruise vs mechanical, etc...

In my mind the only reason you would buy a BX is because Kubota offers a backhoe. Then again, you can get an aftermarket backhoe on the NH. (warranty may be out the window though)

Price comparison: the TZ is about $200 more than the Kubota BX2230.

 

[TDiPatrick]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I've noticed you've been asking similar questions about the height, tippyness, etc. on a few different threads - it seems like you aren't too sure about the NH.)</font>

Well, I had pretty much settled on the BX, but a chat with a local NH dealer turned up a TZ24 with loader for $100 less than a comparable BX with loader. It's a unit that the dealer demo'd with "about 2 hours" on it according to the dealer. In addition, the NH dealer is closer to me than the Kubota dealer - so there's lots of positives for the NH deal.

I like the features of the TZ vs. the BX, but my wife is giving me a hard time about getting "too big" a tractor for our 1 acre lot. There is a fair size hill on our lot and I want her to feel safe operating the tractor. All it would take to cook my goose is for the tractor to go up on two wheels with her /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Bandit, I appreciate your input - especially since feedback on the Case/NH SubCUTS is so sparse. I apologize for consuming so much bandwidth with my convoluted decision process.

Thanks again!
Patrick

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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I apologize for consuming so much bandwidth with my convoluted decision process. </font>


If you have to apologize for a few posts then I am in very deep doo doo with the man upstairs. I don't think anyone consumed more bandwidth than I have when I tried to find a garden tractor for my wife (something like 12 pages of posts in one forum and close to that many in another forum).

We all learn from these posts. Heck, I looked at the TZs last fall and didn't notice half of the stuff I learned about in this thread.

 

[TDiPatrick]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( To me there is no comparison between the NH and Kubota. The NH TZ22 and TZ25 are by far a superior unit for the following reasons: [snip]

Price comparison: the TZ is about $200 more than the Kubota BX2230. )</font>

Thanks for the input - I'm actually looking at the TZ24 with MMM and FEL for $100 less than BX2230.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">(

Price comparison: the TZ is about $200 more than the Kubota BX2230. )</font>

The actual difference in dealer cost between the two tractors is more along the lines of $600-1200 depending on programs.

 

[Henro]

pwillits80,

Well let me be the first to ask: How long you been selling blue, pwillits80? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thinking that any of the big name tractors is "far superior" is a trap we can all fall into. I would never say that myself because overall it generally is not true. Each really can have its advantages and what one sees as a benefit, another may see as a shortcoming. Metal VS plastic is one area. Cast iron VS steel could be another, and on and on.

Many of the things you point out as superior are really operator preference. For example, I personally prefer the "inferior" single pedal HST. But I would not call the two pedal set up anything but different. Too subjective.

I've been reading your post again as I type this. Actually it is kind of humorous. I guess I am going to have to go down to the shed and tell my BX to be a little harder on me next time...The 50 and 100 hour service was not particularly memorable or difficult, and I guess I am going to have beat on that little tractor a bit, to encourage it to behave like a normal BX and get floppy about the controls!

The 3PH is in my mind a limitation, especially if one had implements from a larger tractor he may like to use. Being smaller and lower to the ground may give the BX and edge on a side slope. Speculation on my part.

Your forgot to mention that the BX has a plastic fan relatively exposed "down under" that can be damaged by a stick and can be a pain to replace, even if it is a relatively cheap part.

Electrical VS mechanical controls again are a preference. Myself, on something like a tractor, I prefer simpler things. The less electrical modules/controls the better in my book. Complex control on a tractor is not a positive in my book. But again, for others it might be.

You brought up a lot of differences that are good for comparison. I think your post would have even been better had you tried to be objective rather than subjective, and let the shopper come to his own conclusions...

Now tell the truth...do you sell blue? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif