Kioti vs Bobcat loaders

[TSO]

I just noticed for the first time that Bobcat & Kioti use different loaders for the same tractors...

The specs are pretty close, but I noticed that on Bobcat's loader, the curl piston/cylinder attach is right to the Quick Connect at the bucket... Which is different than every other loader I've seen, whereas that lower cylinder is attached to a intermediate pivot piece.

Anyways, does anyone have any direct experience with both loaders so much that they can say which loader is better?

 

[RayK]

I prefer the Kioti loader it has a lot more curl, I've used both and it seems more difficult to fill the bucket with a Bobcat loader. Someone told me that you can buy a kit from Bobcat to increase the curl on their loaders, also have used both backhoes and again the Kioti seems to be built stronger and has more dogging power, jmho Ray

 

[IndyIan]

The extra curl allows me to use a 90 deg back manure bucket. My buddy borrowed the bucket and had trouble as his loader didn't have enough roll back. I assume the bobcat version gives a bit more power?

 

[NICKB304]

the mccormick x10 series use woods loaders. they are a red kioti/bobcat. I liked the lower boom profile of the woods loader compared to the kioti sitting next to it on a ds45 but the kioti loader had a single handle quick attach which i thought was a nice touch.

 

[kiotiken]

the mccormick x10 series use woods loaders. they are a red kioti/bobcat. I liked the lower boom profile of the woods loader compared to the kioti sitting next to it on a ds45 but the kioti loader had a single handle quick attach which i thought was a nice touch.

The Kioti loaders have a different profile from the CK to DK series. The KL401 (the one on that DK45) is a very strong loader, do you know how the Woods version on the x10 series compares? I wasn't a huge fan of my KL130 from my CK30, it seem under powered, but I love the KL401, it's a monster.

 

[TSO]

Interesting... I had completely forgotten about McCormick.

Just checked their site, their loader on the "X10.40/X10.50" (DK40/50) specs pretty close also...

Lift height: M= 107.85" / K=107.8"
Dump Clearance: M=85.07" / K=79.9"
Lift weight Cap: M=2650lbs / K=2761
Breakout: M=3578 / K=3727

 

[kiotiken]

Interesting... I had completely forgotten about McCormick.

Just checked their site, their loader on the "X10.40/X10.50" (DK40/50) specs pretty close also...

Lift height: M= 107.85" / K=107.8"
Dump Clearance: M=85.07" / K=79.9"
Lift weight Cap: M=2650lbs / K=2761
Breakout: M=3578 / K=3727

Don't forget Landini if blue is your color, I guess I should have mentioned that before you went over to the dark side

 

[dfkrug]

I assume the bobcat version gives a bit more power?

I have had both the Bobcat and the Kioti FELs on essentially the same tractor, the CK30/CT230.
Loader comparison is at post #11 here:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/bobcat-tractors/155379-bobcat-ct230-kioti-ck30-side.html

The wider bkt pin spacing of the Bobcat FEL certainly does give it more breakout force, at the
expense of range of movement.

When I adapted a 4-in-1 bkt to my Kioti loader, I went to a wider pin spacing, like Bobcat's, and
the additional breakout force is quite noticable.

 

[TSO]

Interesting... I wonder if you can adjust the pin spacing on ANY quick-attach plates for any tractor? My breakout is rated around 4350# but I wouldn't mind more of course.

 

[dfkrug]

Interesting... I wonder if you can adjust the pin spacing on ANY quick-attach plates for
any tractor?

Sure. But the limiting factor is how much less curl can you live with? Increasing the
moment arm (distance betw the force and the pivot) multiplies your force, but the
range of motion is less.

Also note that increasing your breakout force this way will also put a greater induced load
on your loader boom and its hyd cylinders.

 

[TSO]

Sure. But the limiting factor is how much less curl can you live with? Increasing the
moment arm (distance betw the force and the pivot) multiplies your force, but the
range of motion is less.

Also note that increasing your breakout force this way will also put a greater induced load
on your loader boom and its hyd cylinders.

I understand what you're saying on range of motion, but I would think the opposite would be true in regard to stress on the machine. It would seem like the loader cylinder, arms, and hydraulics would actually be working easier with a higher pivot point... Less resistance during the curl motion, compared with having it low on the quick attach plate.

 

[dfkrug]

I understand what you're saying on range of motion, but I would think the opposite would be true in regard to stress on the machine. It would seem like the loader cylinder, arms, and hydraulics would actually be working easier with a higher pivot point... Less resistance during the curl motion, compared with having it low on the quick attach plate.

If you can increase any force by increasing the leverage, that higher force has to be resisted by
the loader boom.

By increasing the breakout force with my homemade bkt forks, I can now lift over 2000# near the
ground, using the curl function. That weight is certainly a higher load on my loader boom and
boom cylinders.

 

[TSO]

If you can increase any force by increasing the leverage, that higher force has to be resisted by
the loader boom.

By increasing the breakout force with my homemade bkt forks, I can now lift over 2000# near the
ground, using the curl function. That weight is certainly a higher load on my loader boom and
boom cylinders.

With all things equal, considering one would be curling the same amount of weight, wouldn't it be easier and less stressful for all mechanical components involved, if the curl cylinder was pinned higher (for leverage) ?

 

[dfkrug]

With all things equal, considering one would be curling the same amount of
weight, wouldn't it be easier and less stressful for all mechanical components involved, if the curl
cylinder was pinned higher (for leverage) ?

If you lifted the same weight and only changed the bucket pin spacing for the curl cylinders, then
the only elements that would endure less stress would be the bkt cyls and where they attach at
both ends. The ends of the forks or bkt that lifts the weight would endure the same stresses
either way.

But of course, everything will not be equal in the real world: the loader gets operated to relief
quite often when digging dirt or lifting with forks. The additional leverage allowed by increasing
bkt pin spacing increases the force limits where the FEL acts on the load.