Kioti starting issues

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Orange blood

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2014/15 kioti dk40se hydro
I have a 2014 Dk 40 hse with 250 hrs . It cranks fine first time but when I ran a while and shut it down it will turn over for probably 15 to 20 seconds and finally slowly start hitting and crank .. Last time out I was not gonna turn it off b4 i loaded so i idled it down and it died and wouldn't start firing til after about 45 minutes.. any help would be appreciated...
 
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Sounds like a serious fuel starvation issue. Have you changed the filter checked the flow coming out of the tank and filter housing?
Check to see if you fuel shutoff solenoid is going full stroke?
 
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Have you checked the battery? Check the voltage across the terminals when its off. Then check the voltage from the positive terminal on the alternator to ground and rev it to see if there are any voltage dips at high rpm.
 
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So the engine will start and run fine when cold. Later, when warm, the engine will start and run but it takes 15-20 seconds to get the engine to run or the last time, it stalled at an idle. Sort of mixed problems but I would think fuel related. How does it run once started and at higher rpms? Trying to figure if the injection pump is getting the fuel it needs. Maybe plugged fuel exit from the tank, plugged fuel filter, weak fuel lift pump. Odd that it seems to start fine when the engine is cool/at air temp but it has been sitting for a while.
 
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My tractor did something like this when one injection pump control sleeve broke several teeth. The more typical symptoms of this problem are total no start or runaway RPM. Mine just acted like a sticky IP rack. Sometimes cycling the key to off and back on (which caused the stop solenoid to jar the rack) got it to start. Once the RPM ran away and I had to stall it with the clutch. Once started, it usually ran OK at higher RPM but stalled if pulled it to idle. I decide I didn't want to risk any more runaway RPM situations so I pulled the IP and found the #4 control sleeve had four broken teeth. You can read the saga here.

I thought this IP gear tooth problem was solved by 2009 but maybe not and the symptoms are so similar.
 
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It seems to be running fine yea first start of day it cranks normal then after its ran awhile it will turn over and finally sound like a weak fire after bout 10 15 seconds and another 5 or so and it will start .. last time out I idled it down and it died soon as it came down to idle . This time it took about 45 minutes to start hitting I guess it cooled down enough it was right at dark... I will try the above mentioned ..thanks
 
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When you go to start it when it doesn't want to start, don't crank it for more than a few seconds. You'll heat up the starter. BUT first you need to listen carefully for a distinct click noise when you move the key from off to first position, BEFORE you reach the spring loaded 'crank' position. If you don't hear the click the stop solenoid is NOT allowing fuel to flow through the IP to the injectors.

I experience what you are stating, to the extent if I go to restart when the engine is up to operating temp, and I turn the key all the way to crank, the engine SOMETIMES doesn't start, but does crank over, seemingly slightly faster than normal. I usually immediately release the key, then go all the way back to off. Then I turn the key from off to accessories, LISTEN for the click of the solenoid; IF I hear the click, then I go to crank and it will start.

Granted if you follow the above and DON'T hear the click it is possible you may have a beginning of the IP failure, or possibly a loose or otherwise faulty electrical connection at the solenoid/IP, circuit.

Caution if your HST tractor does go to full throttle due to a stuck IP rack- you'll have to starve it for fuel or air/both to stop the engine. To do so you'd have to open your hood and shut off the petcock at the fuel filter bowl, of block intake air at the air filter housing. I think the safest way would be to starve fuel at the filter bowl on the right side of the engine.

Hope this helps, others will likely chime in on this issue. See if you can give us more very specific details of what your procedure has been to date, and results of same.
 
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So the engine will start and run fine when cold. Later, when warm, the engine will start and run but it takes 15-20 seconds to get the engine to run or the last time, it stalled at an idle. Sort of mixed problems but I would think fuel related. How does it run once started and at higher rpms? Trying to figure if the injection pump is getting the fuel it needs. Maybe plugged fuel exit from the tank, plugged fuel filter, weak fuel lift pump. Odd that it seems to start fine when the engine is cool/at air temp but it has been sitting for a while.

Weak fuel pump or fuel stop solenoid when warmed up. Check the electrical connection on both by unplugged and plugging it it again several times.
 
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When you go to start it when it doesn't want to start, don't crank it for more than a few seconds. You'll heat up the starter. BUT first you need to listen carefully for a distinct click noise when you move the key from off to first position, BEFORE you reach the spring loaded 'crank' position. If you don't hear the click the stop solenoid is NOT allowing fuel to flow through the IP to the injectors.

I experience what you are stating, to the extent if I go to restart when the engine is up to operating temp, and I turn the key all the way to crank, the engine SOMETIMES doesn't start, but does crank over, seemingly slightly faster than normal. I usually immediately release the key, then go all the way back to off. Then I turn the key from off to accessories, LISTEN for the click of the solenoid; IF I hear the click, then I go to crank and it will start.

Granted if you follow the above and DON'T hear the click it is possible you may have a beginning of the IP failure, or possibly a loose or otherwise faulty electrical connection at the solenoid/IP, circuit.

Caution if your HST tractor does go to full throttle due to a stuck IP rack- you'll have to starve it for fuel or air/both to stop the engine. To do so you'd have to open your hood and shut off the petcock at the fuel filter bowl, of block intake air at the air filter housing. I think the safest way would be to starve fuel at the filter bowl on the right side of the engine.

Hope this helps, others will likely chime in on this issue. See if you can give us more very specific details of what your procedure has been to date, and results of same.

Thanks I will check for the click when I use it in a few days .... one thing I noticed when it wouldn't hit the other day was the glow plug ( swirly light ) light on dash didn't come on when I turned key over to wait on it to go off .... not sure if it is suppose to , seems like it always has when it was up to operating temp
 
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Thanks I will check for the click when I use it in a few days .... one thing I noticed when it wouldn't hit the other day was the glow plug ( swirly light ) light on dash didn't come on when I turned key over to wait on it to go off .... not sure if it is suppose to , seems like it always has when it was up to operating temp

My glow plug light does NOT come on when the engine is started near operating temp. 2012 DK se hst.
 

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