Kioti Mower Tale

   / Kioti Mower Tale #1  

Ozark Hollow

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Location
Missouri Ozarks, in a hollow with a creek.
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B2620
After getting some pretty stunning quotes on new finish mowers I decided I would shark eBay for a while and see if anything turned up.

Well a couple of weeks ago a Kioti KRM03-60 came up for sale only about 25 miles from me. The mower is made by Sicma out of Italy and from my research it seemed to be a decent make.

So I went down to take a look. The listing said it only had 8 hours on it and it looked like it. I've seen more used looking mowers new in dealer lots. I did notice that the 3 pt attachment arms weren't straight, but I assumed the were made that way. I bid on it and was overjoyed when I got it for $610. I priced them new at $1795. I got a friend to help me pick it up and that's when the fun started.

Ho ho ho. As we were unloading it off the trailer, I noticed that the one of the rear wheels seemed bent. When I had looked at it before, it was up on a pallet and all the wheels had looked straight. At first I thought maybe it had happened when it was loaded on the trailer, but then I saw that the pin that holds the fork in had been replaced with a bent piece of threaded rod. So then I went over the mower again, like I should have done the first time. Here is what I found. In addition to bent wheel fork, the front arms were bent outward. How he bent them I don't know, that metal is thick. I couldn't flatten them again with a sledge and the paint was still on, so they weren't heated or anything. The guy had swapped retaining pins all over the place, and used some that were too small/thin. He managed to bust off one of the extended grease fittings, and I spent quite some time fishing the broken remains out of the threaded fitting hole. He also had the covers on wrong, which I'm guessing is how he broke off the grease fitting. To top it all off, he apparently thought it was ok to remove the chains that secure the PTO shields. Personally I'd like to keep my body parts.

Replacement parts totaled around $150. It could have been much worse if I had needed to replace the spindle with the busted grease fitting though.

Here's what amazes me. How could this guy do so much damage to this mower (which has very sturdy construction) with so little use? The mower blades are SHARP and the rest of the mower really looks like the 8hr use figure is right. The gear box oil is full and clean, everything spins freely with no noises, and the belts have zero wear. How could you lose so many pins, and why on earth would you replace them with pins and junk that didn't fit? Pins certainly aren't expensive, and it's not like he had to drive 20 miles for parts. The place I picked up the mower is about a block from the Kioti dealer. -.-

The bottom line is that I should have looked a lot harder at the mower when I went to look at it. But then again, if I had, I might have passed on a great deal. Some people do amaze me though.
 
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:) remember the old saying buyer beware, if it sounds too good to be true it usually is. But at least it sounds like you still got a great deal.
 
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Sounds like someone dropped it in shipment. I remember a guy was selling 20 new Dana 60 front axles for cheap, like $1,400. I couldn't understand why. A guy I know bought one. He said the axle ends, brakes, etc were bent or scuffed. I kind of confronted the seller and he confessed that the delivery truck carrying the axles had rolled over and he was called in to clean up the salvage. Ford couldn't accept the shipment, so they were sold to him (he was a wholesaler).

You may have bought mower from a similar situation. Might be perfectly fine once you get it fixed up.

Crazy stuff happens. Trucks crash, forklifts drop loads, loads get stolen, etc.
 
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Think he might have made a turn and hung it on something? Or maybe went through a dip or ditch and jammed the three point all the way up? :confused:

At least it turned out good for you...Congrats.

Mike
 
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I bought a used KRM03-72 from my local dealer about 5 yrs ago. It was used a couple of times by the original owner and then traded in on an 84" mower. After a little negotiating, I walked out the door for $900 and knew then that I had gotten a great deal but did not know at the time just how good of mower I was getting. It looked like brand new and has proven to be a very durable, excellent cutting mower.
I recently picked up another tractor on a whim and it came with a John Deere 60" side discharge RFM and I have to say the Kioti is hands down a better mower. The JD mower is in fine condition and was obviously well maintained and seems to be heavily built to boot but the quality of cut is pretty disappointing after using the Kioti.

I have no idea how someone could tear one up within a few hours use....you'de have to really work at it. I have never been accused of being gentle on anything and this mower is no exception but it still looks and mows great. Mine is very well built and has held up exceptionally well. I have used it like a bush hog, ran over stumps, logs, bricks, blocks, rammed it into trees backing up at full throttle and banged it against too many solid objects to remember and even the paint still looks good and it mows as well as the day I brought it home. You may have had to put a little more money in yours than you expected but I don't think you'll be disappointed after you use it.
 
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Kernopelli: Thanks for the review of your Kioti mower. I really like the way it's put together, it's very good to hear that yours has been durable for you. Do you have the front anti-scalp roller? Is that something I should look at picking up?

I'm actually very happy with the mower. More than anything, it was just turning into a case of "what next?". Bent arms, bent fork, goofy pin swaps, the belt covers put on wrong and then finally the broken off grease fitting, all on a mower with very little use.

As far as how it got damaged, when I took the arms in to the dealer to order replacement parts, they thought he must have bent them on purpose for wider 3pt arms. The sockets they fit into are completely undamaged. The rear wheel fork does look more like an accident of some sort. Everything else is perfect. Zero dents, dings or even paint scuffs.

As soon as the parts get here, I'll take it out for a spin and see if there is anything ELSE I missed. :rolleyes:
 
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I don't have the anti scalp roller but scalping has never been a problem, didn't even know it was an option. That is one of my main issues with the JD RFM I just picked up, it has two rollers on the front and scalps quite a bit anyway. The rear discharge is the best thing since sliced bread....no wind rows and clumps that you regularly get with the side discharge mowers I've used. I brag to everyone, as long as I stay on top of my mowing, I can mow in high range/high gear ( probably about 12 MPH) and still get a great cut with this mower while using a tractor rated at only 20 PTO HP/24 engine HP.
I love my Grasshopper ZTR mower for its maneuverability and use it quite a bit because of the number of trees and flower beds we have plus its ability to get under 800' of split rail fence (no weed eating) but if we are talking about cutting maximum acres per hour with a comparable quality of cut, the tractor/KRM is no doubt the way to go. Since it's built like a tank and is pretty heavy, it also makes a great counter weight for loader work.
 
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At the end of the day you got a great deal. I have a Caroni Finish Mower made in Italy and it was purchased to replace the money I wasted on a $1200 POS King Kutter that only lasted 3 years and required over $500 in replacement parts. My Caroni is now on its 3rd season with nothing replaced or repaired other than a Bushing I lost that was replaced with one I picked up at TSC for under $3. What I am trying to say is the Italian mowers are top notch. You did good.

Chris
 
 

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