Kioti HST filter vs Donaldson HST filter, Opened both.

   / Kioti HST filter vs Donaldson HST filter, Opened both. #1  

xcgreene

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So, the Kioti T4125-38021 HST filter, the higher pressure, thick shell, $100 one from the dealer was the only option. No cross references. But, in the past couple years a few options started popping up. A while back I noted in the cross reference thread of installing a $40 Donaldson 573481 instead of the T4125-38021, in my DK45se. As I could see, online, a few websites who were implying it would cross over. I had studied on its micron count, proper sizing, pressure ratings, and out of my own curiosity, I went for it.

Well, I've reached the next service for this filter. So having both the factory kioti T4125-38021 and the Donaldson 573481 to toss out, I cut them both open. Noting that this Donaldson filters micron count and ratings, which are found right on their website, were suitable for an axial piston pump, as the HST is, and rated for the pressures at hand, it's the physical attributes that we are really looking at here.

The Contenders:
1 Kioti T4125-38021 vs Donaldson 573481.jpg

bottoms, o-rings removed, note that both faces are aluminum, the shell is steel, they seem to both be pressed together. I could not unscrew them from each other as the pattern might imply.
2 Bottoms, unopened.jpg

Opened up:
3 Opened.jpg

You can see here, as similar as they are, there are slight differences in the cast. so not made in the exact same mold.
4 Threaded end internals.jpg

Shells are both 1.4mm in thickness.
5 Shell thickness 1.4mm both.jpg

Noting the extra pleats, with the media stretched all the way out, the kioti filter has about 30% more media.
6 Media comparison.  Kioti 30% longer.jpg

However, the Donaldson has a wire mesh backing on its media. And each pleat glued at a fixed distance. With this, it would be more durable under higher pressures, and less prone to collapsing, or a foreign object damaging the media, and sending media pieces down the line.
7 Donaldson has metal mesh support.jpg

The core of the Donaldson seems to be engineered for laminar flow at a higher flow rate compared the the basic holes of the kioti core.
8 Core comparison.jpg

My thoughts:

The Donaldson filter seems more ready for serious pressures spikes and abuse, this is also evident when crossing the Donaldson's number online with other equipment it's used in. But, given the lesser amount of total media, changing it on time would be a higher priority.

The Kioti filter seems to be built for lighter duty, (homeowner tractor duty, vs industrial skid steer duty). but has more total filter media allowing more leisurely planning of the filter change.


I also see that wix now offers a cross ref for this filter. WL10243 (or Napa 400243). Would like to cut that one open too.
 
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Nice job thank you.

To confirm your observation about the different pleats.
The parts guy at my dealer mentioned that the 10 micron rating of the HST filter was so good that some were not replacing them at the 50 hour initial change out but going as far as 2-300 hours.
Well did the 50 hour service and held off until 207 hours. The picture showing the pleat count now reveals why a little slop time may be ok.

BUT, viewing the Donaldson filter and at $40 a pop I would not be adverse to replacing one even at 100 hours but 200 would be the max. Looks like my average will be about 300 hours a year for a while.

So this looks like a very good option. With a Caterpillar plant here in Victoria, there are several hydraulic shops that carry Donaldson filters.
Discovered this when I was also looking for alternatives.

Plus a Donaldson air filter is much preferable for me over a NAPA Wix unit. Got spoiled using them when I had the 7.3L Power stroke and UOA came back with great results.
 
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That you for the posting and your work in the comparison. I'll have to see what there is for my CK30hst.
 
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Nice job! Thanks for the info! :thumbsup:
 
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Better or not, I don't think there is any substitute for not following the regular maintenance and and replacement schedules outlined in the owners manuals. That goes for oil changes as well, dino or full synthetic.
 
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xcGreene, Great investigative reporting! I really appreciate the truly significant effort you went through to present us all with objective, side by side comparisons of the two filters. By the way, fantastic pictures! You can really "zoom in" for a close up view.

I think if you clog up either one of those filters in the factory allotted time frame, you have a lot bigger problems than just a stopped up filter...but that's just my opinion.
 
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xcGreene, Great investigative reporting! I really appreciate the truly significant effort you went through to present us all with objective, side by side comparisons of the two filters. By the way, fantastic pictures! You can really "zoom in" for a close up view.

I think if you clog up either one of those filters in the factory allotted time frame, you have a lot bigger problems than just a stopped up filter...but that's just my opinion.

+1 on the investigation. Thanks, xcgreene!
 
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Cool, thanks for taking the time to post all this. My dealer isn't overly greedy and was charging something under $100 last time I bought the HST filter, but its good to know that the Donaldson would be a suitable replacement if needed.
 
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Thank you!
 
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Nice writeup. Thanks.
 

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