Kioti Broken in Half

[deezler]

^ sure, but the same principle is also true for a tractor or any other vehicle. If you overbuild your CUT to the tune of an extra 1000 lbs of metal, it's gonna suck at driving up hills, etc. Any extra weight you add to the tractor is theoretically directly subtracting from lifting or towing capacity.

 

[4570Man]

^ sure, but the same principle is also true for a tractor or any other vehicle. If you overbuild your CUT to the tune of an extra 1000 lbs of metal, it's gonna suck at driving up hills, etc. Any extra weight you add to the tractor is theoretically directly subtracting from lifting or towing capacity.

More weight only detracts from lifting capacity when you’re adding something like an oversized grapple on a loader that’s already built. Beefing the frame, axel and loader mounts doesn’t decrease capacity. If you want something be be strong you either have to build it heavy or spend a pile of money to make it light and tractor manufacturers aren’t doing the latter. Making a lifting tool light doesn’t work anyway. You can lift over the wheels like a moffit lift or add counter weight.

 

[deezler]

Well sure, it obviously depends on what your current limiting factor is. On many of our CUTs, it is front axle strength and durability. So any weight above the axle is part of the equation. And all weight obviously still applies to driving performance.

 

[4570Man]

Well sure, it obviously depends on what your current limiting factor is. On many of our CUTs, it is front axle strength and durability. So any weight above the axle is part of the equation. And all weight obviously still applies to driving performance.

Maybe they should add a heavier duty front axel. Front axel problems are high on the list of compact tractor problems. Almost all heavier duty equipment uses a double jointed axel with a driveshaft through the center that drives a planetary hub. A uniball axel is also proven tough. A ring gear in the hub isn’t a very strong design.

 

[Username Taken]

I wonder if he didn't buy it as salvage and is trying to flip it. Looks like that might be (more than) possible. I also wonder if the prior owner didn't have a backhoe and, while operating it, continually lifted the rear of the tractor off the ground with the outriggers, causing the frame to crack and then it finally took a dump when it got jostled in the woods. I'd bet a beer. As long as you're buying

 

[TMGT]

It also could have been used within design limitations and has a weld failure due to manufacturers defect, I've seen a few post lately of various weldments cracking/breaking on Kioti equipment. If not caught in time could lead to catastrophic failure.

Not a bash on Kioti, just an observation. Based on the grapple it might not have lived an easy life, but doesn't necessarily mean it was abused.

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[WRX]

Nothing compact about the grapple on there. I wonder what that thing weighs? It will also get the load farther away from the lift pin, compounding the problem. Add the weight of a cab, big rocks, etc. Were boats being picked up in the boat yard? That might have exceeded the design limits of the tractor.

 

[Jstpssng]

OMG. my junk tractor is going to fall apart in the middle real soon. I best be trading it off. I sure have moved a lot of heavy boulders with it. Darn. Sure stir up some more FUD.

First you'll have to learn to beat the living crap out of it every time that you start it up.

I don't think you have what it takes to destroy a good piece of machinery for no reason.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

It also could have been used within design limitations and has a weld failure due to manufacturers defect, I've seen a few post lately of various weldments cracking/breaking on Kioti equipment. If not caught in time could lead to catastrophic failure.

Not a bash on Kioti, just an observation. Based on the grapple it might not have lived an easy life, but doesn't necessarily mean it was abused.

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Grapple stuff is normally pretty easy on a tractor's drivetrain as it is nabbing lighter-weight stuff—especially if there isn't any counterweight at the back—than three-point earth engaging stuff on the drawbar where all four wheels are working at or near a maximun effort to drag along.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Maybe they should add a heavier duty front axel. Front axel problems are high on the list of compact tractor problems. Almost all heavier duty equipment uses a double jointed axel with a driveshaft through the center that drives a planetary hub. A uniball axel is also proven tough. A ring gear in the hub isn’t a very strong design.

Look at the photos again: The axle didn't break, the welds or bend in the subframe that bolts the axle to the rest of the machine broke making the transmission's bell-housing the only stressed member to hold everything together which then failed. I'm sure the failure was almost simultaneous.