OK, I don't do it very often, but I'm going on a rant. Here goes. WHY, does it seem that every time someone asks a legitimate question about an "alternative brand" tractor, some bozo has to pipe up and suggest a Powertrac? OK, so they supposedly can run 40-odd attachments and cost less and all that. But let's face it, most guys want and need a diesel powered, gear driven REAL tractor that can take traditional 3 point implements and have the weight required to put the power to the ground. A Kioti CK20 weighs twice as much as a 25 HP GAS powered Powertrac, and it takes weight to make traction, and it takes traction to make work. I'm sure Powertracs make nice lawn mowers, but if they were the beat-all end-all in the tractor world, most of us would own them, and we would have dorks trying to sell a Jinma or a Kiota in the middle of a Powertrac thread. Ok, I feel better now! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif