John Deere 14T baler prob

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bootsgmc

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First off, I'm glad I found this site!! Secondly, go easy on me, I'm a gal!!! Anyway, the problem is, our baler will not tie one side..it ties the oneside every single time, but the other side never ties..we've rolled it thru by hand, watching everything, dad adjusted the tucker finger a few times..he has a manual and everything is according to specs..the problem we noticed, when rolling it by hand, is that the twine seems to come off prematurely..and ideas on how to fix it? We've tried everything and nothing..we did about 100 or so bales the other day and it tied 5 on it's own! I know haying isn't supposed to be that much work! Last year, it tied pretty decent, out of 10 bales, maybe 1 wouldn't tie..any thoughts guys? My dad is about to lose his mind!!!:mad:
 
   / John Deere 14T baler prob #2  
What kind of twine are you using? The old balers don't seem to like the new poly twine as it's too slick. My old IH-37 baler chokes on the new stuff. It only likes the sisal twine.
 
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We use the old fashion sisal twine...like I said in first post, the one side will tie every single time, but the other side slips off too soon...last year just a few problems with it, but this year, as dad said, if it was made of wood, it'd have been on fire by now!!!!
 
   / John Deere 14T baler prob #4  
Couple of possibilities....

No reason that plastic twine won't work. That's all I use in my 14t. How is pull tension? By that I mean: if you pull on the twine from the twine disk, about how much force does it take to get it to move out of the twine box? You need fish scale to measure it (15lbs)

Do you have it threaded properly? The twine box ought to have a twine routing diagram inside the cover. If not Check the manual.

Are the needles placing the twine properly in the twine disk? And does it hold the twine when it revolves?

Is there a lot of dirt around the hay dogs (in the bottom of the bale case). These keep the last flake in position so that the twine stays tight enough to make the knot.

Are there sharp edges or nicks in the twine disk that may be cutting the twine instead of it being held onto?

Is the billhook revolving? Is the billhook tongue opening to receive the knot parts?

Does the twine get pulled out of the twine disk (not enough tension).

Is there a partial knot formed or nothing at all?

Tucker fingers are the usuall culprit. Make sure they swing together and to the same maximum angle. However, twine pulling of the billhook sounds like a twine disk problem: either its not geting the twine from the needle or its not holding onto it after the needles withdraw.

Having one working is a good place to start a comparison. As you roll it over by hand, check to see that all actions happen at about the same time. If they are good, then start looking at spring tensions: twine disk holder, billhook finger, twine tension at the twine box. Keep the conversation going until it gets working. Then tell us what what the final solution.


I presume that the sisal you are using is good square bale twine. Try reversing the twine bales and see if the problem moves to the other knotter.
Gulliver is a bit far for a road trip, but you never know.... ( I'm in Brighton).

Have you checked my knotter video on YouTube?
 
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Thanks for all the advice!! Finally got it!! I was gone to Little League finals and when I came home, it was working..cleaned it up a bit, and messed mainly with the tuckerfinger, getting that adjusted..too much, not enough..but finally got it where it needs to be..did a test run, tied the **** out of all the bales!!! Thanks for the replies!

Oh yea, I know Brighton is a ways, I've been there..quite a few years ago!!!
 
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Mike120 said:
What kind of twine are you using? The old balers don't seem to like the new poly twine as it's too slick. My old IH-37 baler chokes on the new stuff. It only likes the sisal twine.
Mine too. And it works pretty darn good on the 10000' weight. How much HP do you use to run yours effectively. Theres discussion on another thread about needing big tractors to run a sq baler. Not me.
larry
 
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My dad usually pulls the baler, he has an OLD H..not sure of the size..the other day tho, we used our tractor to pull it, which is just a little Ford N, I think it's a '41...and it pulled it just nicely..no big tractor for us!! Since adjusting the tucker finger, it's baling like crazy..seems nice to have it working like it should!!
 
   / John Deere 14T baler prob #8  
No reason that a baler can't use plastic twine. There are 2 adjustments that must be made. First is at the exit of the twine bale case. The pull tension is adjusted by turning down the springs on the clamps. there is a spec on the pull force for this station. Second is at the twine disk. There is a spring force setting here, too. This is the force necessary to hold the twine in the disk. Slippery twine needs more clamping force. Note that this conversion goes the other way. Switching to sisal means you need to reduce the twine holding forces.

There is no dimensional criteria in the knotter system. Thickness has no real bearing on its operation (other than the stuff has to pass thru the needle eyes and the billhook tongue). Yes you can thread round bale plastic twine and make it work. But, its not strong enough to hold a heavy bale together when you drop it 20 feet from a hay mow onto a concrete landing.
 
   / John Deere 14T baler prob #9  
SPYDERLK said:
Mine too. And it works pretty darn good on the 10000' weight. How much HP do you use to run yours effectively. Theres discussion on another thread about needing big tractors to run a sq baler. Not me.
larry

Smallest thing I've got that's currently running has 50hp. It has no problem with the baler.
 
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Mike120 said:
Smallest thing I've got that's currently running has 50hp. It has no problem with the baler.
No problem with Kub L2550 -- 27 ptohp, on the IH 37 .
larry
 

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