Jinma 354 & roto tilling

[tat2z1969]

Hey Guys:
Has anyone used a roto tiller on the back of a 354?
Before I order a 354 I want to make sure it goes slow enough to till with, any input?

Thanks
Jim

 

[bluechip]

You may find it is a bit fast for tilling. Jinma does not have a creeper in the 300 series, they do in 200 and 400 series. the KAMA 35HP tractors are available with creeper or shuttle, with creeper you have 16 forwards and 4 reverse ratios. Perhaps someone who has done some tilling with a 304/354 can add some imput.

 

[jaroban]

I have a JM 224 With a creeper gear. I have tilled several times with no problem. I use 1st gear in low range. I have not needed to use the creeper gear as of yet. The land that I till has been tilled for several years. If you were going to till the ground for the first time I am not sure if 1st gear low range would be low enough. I had an old ford tractor some time back that did a fine job in 1st gear low range on land tilled for the first time. Good luck Robby

 

[tat2z1969]

Chip is 100% right. A local guy bought a Jinma 354 and got it last week and he tried to till with it and he said it was to fast, now has to keep his old tractor just for tilling.
I just found this out today, soooo I will be buying a machine with creeper gears.
Thanks for the input.

Jim

 

[minidozer]

What speeds are we talking about? My Kubota does 0.8 MPH in 1L which is too fast. My new Chinese dozer does 0.5 MPH in 1L. Is this still too fast? What speeds are we talking about with the creeper?

 

[tat2z1969]

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Depends on the brand tractor, but from what I researched is that most creeper gears run at 0.3 to 0.4 mph in the lowest gear.
The other thing I had explained to me yesterday by a man who is a importer and goes to China to the factory a few times a year it this:
The tractor manuals will tell you that, say on a Jinma with creeper gears, creeper is for ditching and tilling gears are L1 and L2. that is 1.0 to 2.1 mph. So they tell you not to use creeper gears really, but here is the difference, Chinese till in wet soil, patties and surrounding areas, big difference to our tilling needs of dry, packed, clay and such.
What I did yesterday was, I took a JD 1070 and tried to till dry ground with it, and I found that from 0.3 to 0.6 mph range worked real well. I tried it at 1.3 mph and the tiller kicked up and if I kept going it would have broke the tiller I am sure.
So before I spent a bunch of money on the wrong tractor I did another test, got out the big tractor and ran 3 -16" bottom plows down the edge of a field, since it was fresh broke up soil I figured the 1.3 mph should do the trick,WRONG too fast, the JD 1070 is 39 hp so I put the tiller on a 70 hp 8000 pound tractor because I read on a thread here that more power and weight will till at faster speed, well at 1.6 mph it does till faster and also breaks tines off a 72" tiller in about 30 seconds. Not a cheap tiller either.
So 0.5 mph on your track machine should be just fine to till with, in MY soil above 0.6 is to fast.

Jim