JD 110 TLB loses power and dies going uphill

[JD110TLBFan]

I previously included this question in a long reponse to an old thread, but another member suggested starting a new thread for this topic.

My JD 110 TLB loses power and dies when going uphill - maybe 50% of the time. I think this started happening after the last time I changed the fuel filter, so maybe operator error as well. I can back up a hill just fine, but if I go forwards up the hill it often dies. Doesn't matter if I have a full tank of diesel or a nearly empty tank. Doesn't matter if I go up the hill at idle or full throttle, though if I let off the peddle soon enough I can avoid it dying sometimes. It might happen more frequently after running the tractor at lower RPMs for a while. If I run it at high RPMs for a while it seems less likely to die going up slope. It has been this way for a year or two now. I haven't yet tried re-installing the fuel filter, but I plan to next time I do maintenance because I assume there must be an air pocket or something causing this. I saw a you tube video of another 110 owner servicing his fuel filter, but it seemed different than mine. His 110 had two filters, one that looked like an oil filter, and a second one that was a translucent plastic cup with filter inside. My 110 only has a class cup with filter inside. Also, he was able to turn his key and a pump would pump fuel through his lines eliminating air. I don't remember my 2003 model having that feature during the last filter change, but maybe I just wasn't aware of it. Should a 2003 JD 110 TLB have this feature? I ended up cranking the engine until the battery was dead trying to get it to restart, then had to continue cranking with jumper cables until it would run.

Has anyone else had this problem of the machine dying going uphill, know the cause, or know the solution?

 

[disney]

I doubt it is something this easy, but there is a fuel shut off valve on the filter housing, any chance it is not completely open? I would think you would have issues anytime under heavy load, not just going up hill, but it's cheap and easy to check. What range are you going up hill in? Does changing range change it at all? IIRC you owned your 110 for a long time, so I will assume it was not always this way

 

[ultrarunner]

I had an intermittant problem and it turned out to be the flywheel speed sensor and boy was I glad.

About $50 and it was cured.

 

[Katahdin]

I'm a little surprised your TLB doesn't have a second spin-on fuel filter. I'm familiar with the engine in the TLB 110, its also same one found in the 41 and 45hp Yanmar LXs. The spin-on filter would be on the "passenger side" of the engine, up and to the left mounted near or on the firewall. I've seen a video of a TLB 110 and did see the spin-on filter there.

Re your hard starting problem, it does sound a little like air is getting into the system. I agree if the canister filter is suspect then refit that and replace any o-rings or seals while you're doing it.

Another possibility might be you have water in your fuel tank and when you angle it up a hill the water in the tank pools up and gets sucked into the engine. I see in the JD TLB 110 online manual that the fuel tank has a drain cock for water and sediment, I suggest opening that up and draining off the bottom of the tank into a glass jar and see what you find.

 

[disney]

I checked my parts book, and some of the earlier 110's did not have the spin on filter, it did not give the sn break, but from the diagram if the injection pump has the four lines in a row (as opposed to a 2 wide 2 deep configuration) then it does not have the spin on filter. It may be possible to add it, but I am not sure.

 

[JD110TLBFan]

Thanks for all the responses! First I'll answer a few of the questions...

I checked the fuel shut off valve and it is completely open. I have the problem both under heavy load and under virtually no load. It can happen in any range, A, B, or C. It has definitely not always been this way...just in the last year or two - probably since the last time I changed the fuel filter.

Attached is a picture I took this evening showing the canister filter and maybe the four lines in a row on the injection pump? The canister filter appears to be only half full of fuel and the other half air. I don't remember if it was full of fuel after changing the fuel filter and developed air over time, or it it has been that way since the filter change. I suspect it was full and has developed air over time. I followed the instructions in the manual, so I'm not sure what I did wrong. I should probably refit it and replace any o-rings or seals as suggested by Katahdin.



Here are the instructions I followed from the Operators Manual (OMLVU13606 D2 and I2):

Cleaning Fuel Filter Sediment Bowl and Replacing Filter
NOTE: Change filter when fuel is low.
1. Raise front loader boom and install loader boom service lock. (See Using Loader Boom Service Lock in the SAFETY section.)
2. Park the machine safely for service. (See Parking Safely in the SAFETY section.)
3. Raise hood.
4. Remove side panel from right side of engine.
5. Close fuel shut-off valve (A).
6. Position drain pan under fuel filter sediment bowl to catch fuel spillage.
7. Turn locking collar (B) counterclockwise to remove bowl (C).
8. Remove and discard the fuel filter.
9. Remove and retain the plastic ring and spring from sediment bowl.
10.Clean bowl, plastic ring, and spring.
11.Install plastic ring and spring in original position in sediment bowl.
12.Install new filter to filter head.
13.Place sediment bowl and locking collar in position.
14.Tighten locking collar to filter head to secure.
15.Open fuel shut-off valve.
16.Install side panel.
17.Lower hood.
NOTE: Fuel system is self bleeding.
18.Crank engine to bleed fuel system.

This air in the canister filter is probably the problem, right? How do I get this air out of the system?

 

[DocDryden]

Here is a video from BILLSTMAX on changing the fuel filter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8B5-Uuw0gs

 

[wacummins]

Looks like the fuel filter bowl is only 1/2 full or are my eye's not seeing it correctly?? If so it could well be causing the problems....

William....

 

[disney]

Yes I would say address the air situation 1st. If it were me I would do a new filter while I was 'in there' but may not be needed. air should not be there. according to parts picture, with that pump there is no 2nd (spin on ) fuel filter.

 

[dids15p]

I also have this issue with my 110 did you ever figure out what the issue was.